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Given all else being equal and taking into account no other variable, will increasing the length/depth of the lugs or cleats on a tracked vehicle such as a snowmobile cause a definable change in the vehicles final drive ratio. For the purpose of this question final drive ratio is to be defined as the distance the vehicle moves with one full rotation of the drive system input and not accounting for any variation in the drivetrain such as CVT etc. 

 

I am open to suggestions but I think the above about covers it.

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    Ok...since you dont understand the wheel or coin concept.....imagine 2 rubberbands....one being slightly larger in circular diameter than the other one.  Now use a sharpie and mark each band.

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Just now, f7ben said:

I dont think one can measure and account for them. No vehicle for that measurment exists in the real world.....also they are not cumulative so no change could be calculated or realized practically 

You needn't measure them.  You admit there is a difference.  What mechanisms account for the difference?  Where are the changes of force consumed and released?  You admit it happens, so where does it go?

Neal

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Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

You needn't measure them.  You admit there is a difference.  What mechanisms account for the difference?  Where are the changes of force consumed and released?  You admit it happens, so where does it go?

Neal

It goes nowhere....for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It isnt meaningful enough to cause a change in how we Express a ratio

Just now, f7ben said:

It goes nowhere....for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It isnt meaningful enough to cause a change in how we Express a ratio

You contradict yourself in one sentence.  If it goes nowhere there would be no equal reaction.  Make up you mind it's cloudy.

Neal

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1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

You contradict yourself in one sentence.  If it goes nowhere there would be no equal reaction.  Make up you mind it's cloudy.

Neal

I already stated they are quantum oscilations that are self canceling. They are absorbed by 1000x different portions of the drivetrain. 

If you heat the chain up 10 degrees where does the expansion of the metal go? 

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

I already stated they are quantum oscilations that are self canceling. They are absorbed by 1000x different portions of the drivetrain. 

If you heat the chain up 10 degrees where does the expansion of the metal go? 

If you measure at the high and low of the oscillations there will be a difference.  You are trying to sweep the difference under the rug.

Indeed where does it go?

Neal

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3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

If you measure at the high and low of the oscillations there will be a difference.  You are trying to sweep the difference under the rug.

Indeed where does it go?

Neal

And you've said there is zero measurable impact on distance traveled.....so where does it go? If it's not completely self canceling then it should impact distance traveled over some long period of time 

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1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

Lmao. 

Lug flick isn't a thing. Stop trying to make it a thing.

It is a thing

Just now, f7ben said:

It is a thing

Not when it comes to distance traveled. Absolutely unrelated data not pertinent to the question posed. 

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1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

Not when it comes to distance traveled. Absolutely unrelated data not pertinent to the question posed. 

I ceded that on a quantum scale the lug traveling the radius of the drivers and rear wheel is traveling at some increased speed while it initiates contact with the ground. It cant be measured or accounted for and it cant impact the FDR but it does exist

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

I ceded that on a quantum scale the lug traveling the radius of the drivers and rear wheel is traveling at some increased speed while it initiates contact with the ground. It cant be measured or accounted for and it cant impact the FDR but it does exist

But any angular momentum gained by the lug tip over the lug base while moving around the drive cog is immediately negated when the angle of travel returns to parallel to the ground, and both tip and base of the lug are moving the exact same speed at that point of contact. 

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3 hours ago, Polaris 550 said:

OK, let's keep it simple as we can. Do you agree with it, how I worded it? You do agree that if the machine moves further with bigger lugs, that the FINAL DRIVE RATIO is different, right?           In other words, if one rotation of the track with longer/shorter lugs moves the sled a different amount, the FINAL DRIVE RATIO is altered. OK? 

You got this 550!

Congrats....just make sure  its a full rotation of the track and not the driveshaft.......larger diameter track will travel further....its just basic physics.

 A lot of moronic putz's on this site.

If you need any help with some of the attorney's  fee's....I can probably help until you give me the 500 when you win.

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Once again..makes no difference if its spinning around an axle or spinning around cogs and slide rails. ......its the diameter that will decide the distance traveled.

Sure if you cut the track or tire and laid it level it would be the same distance but these are round turning objects and diameter dictates

1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

If you think that's how the formula works you don't understand it's basic premise.  You keep thinking that it will change the distance traveled.  It does not.  I have stated that every time, yet you continue down that path.  You seem unable to let that go.  I can't help you do that.  

Neal

If it doesn't change the distance traveled then it doesn't change the drive ratio. It's as simple as that.  

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7 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

Once again..makes no difference if its spinning around an axle or spinning around cogs and slide rails. ......its the diameter that will decide the distance traveled.

Sure if you cut the track or tire and laid it level it would be the same distance but these are round turning objects and diameter dictates

100% false.......the track does not propel the vehicle while turning around a radius.....it propels the vehicle while traveling horizontally along the slide rail and that is it. 

You arent very bright if you cant figure this out after it having been explained to you numerous times 

9 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

Once again..makes no difference if its spinning around an axle or spinning around cogs and slide rails. ......its the diameter that will decide the distance traveled.

Sure if you cut the track or tire and laid it level it would be the same distance but these are round turning objects and diameter dictates

If that were true, track length would have an effect on drive ratio, but it doesn't.

 

44 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

You got this 550!

Congrats....just make sure  its a full rotation of the track and not the driveshaft.......larger diameter track will travel further....its just basic physics.

 A lot of moronic putz's on this site.

If you need any help with some of the attorney's  fee's....I can probably help until you give me the 500 when you win.

100% WRONG.  When talking about 1 or 10 or 100 rotations of the drive axle, Lug Height doesn't change the the distance traveled, neither does the length of the track.  The track could be 100 miles long and 10 spins of the drive axle will only move the track 10 times the circumference of the drive axle.  Lug Height and track length have no bearing.  

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1 hour ago, motonoggin said:

Not when it comes to distance traveled. Absolutely unrelated data not pertinent to the question posed. 

Bingo.  

Here's another question:

Does the length of the drive chain effect the gear ratio? 

1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

You needn't measure them.  You admit there is a difference.  What mechanisms account for the difference?  Where are the changes of force consumed and released?  You admit it happens, so where does it go?

Neal

What happens in that area has no effect on anything. Even if it did, the action at other end of the track would negate it 

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Just now, motonoggin said:

Here's another question:

Does the length of the drive chain effect the gear ratio? 

yes....longer chain stretches more on each rotation and that contributes to the quantum oscillations 

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Just now, Snoslinger said:

What happens in that area has no effect on anything. Even if it did, the action at other end of the track would negate it 

which is why I have termed this a self canceling oscillation 

Just now, f7ben said:

yes....longer chain stretches more on each rotation and that contributes to the quantum oscillations 

I see what you did there

Just now, f7ben said:

which is why I have termed this a self canceling oscillation 

I wouldn’t call it an oscillation

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Just now, motonoggin said:

I see what you did there

Impossible......it happened only in the quantum world.......not perceptible by the naked eye @!!!!111

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