f7ben Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: I see what you did there Impossible......it happened only in the quantum world.......not perceptible by the naked eye @!!!!111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Regardless of the length or thickness (circumference) of the drive chain, the top gear in a 20/40 gear setup will still rotate twice for every rotation of the bottom gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: I wouldn’t call it an oscillation Why ....these quantum variables are happening inside the fractions of a second too and fro back and forth lug flicks at the front and at the rear. Its like a sine wave !!!!!!!!!!1111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: You got this 550! Congrats....just make sure its a full rotation of the track and not the driveshaft.......larger diameter track will travel further....its just basic physics. A lot of moronic putz's on this site. If you need any help with some of the attorney's fee's....I can probably help until you give me the 500 when you win. Lol. Same thoughts I had initially but you are wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Regardless of the length or thickness (circumference) of the drive chain, the top gear in a 20/40 gear setup will still rotate twice for every rotation of the bottom gear. no ....the gear is wearing inside every revolution.......every motion of the drivetrain changes it from 20.00000000000000001/40.0000000000000000000001 to 19.9999999999999999999999999 to 39.9999999999999999999999999999 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Why ....these quantum variables are happening inside the fractions of a second too and fro back and forth lug flicks at the front and at the rear. Its like a sine wave !!!!!!!!!!1111 Lol, ok professor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: Lol, ok professor I'm mostly mocking Neal here if you cant tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 A 1/2” thick track will travel the same distance as a 12” thick track. Outer diameter doesn’t mean shit here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: A 1/2” thick track will travel the same distance as a 12” thick track. Outer diameter doesn’t mean shit here Yep. It doesn't mean shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Yep. It doesn't mean shit. Other than your sled is 11.5" taller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 There's a gnome joke in there somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted December 18, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 18, 2018 27 minutes ago, motonoggin said: If that were true, track length would have an effect on drive ratio, but it doesn't. 25 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: 100% WRONG. When talking about 1 or 10 or 100 rotations of the drive axle, Lug Height doesn't change the the distance traveled, neither does the length of the track. The track could be 100 miles long and 10 spins of the drive axle will only move the track 10 times the circumference of the drive axle. Lug Height and track length have no bearing. I think we are discussing 2 different things.....I fully agree that the ratio would remain constant. But if you suspended a sled in the air and wrapped a string completely around the same length track with one having 1 inch lugs and another with 3 inch lugs. ......it's obvious the 3inch lug would require a longer string. If you laid those strings side.by side the 3 inch lug string would be longer.....and that equals distance. The inside diameter of the track is equal but the longer lugs make the outside diameter larger. So 1 full rotation of these 2 TRACKS not the clutch or cogs would yeild a difference in distance. I thought that is what the original bet was about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: I think we are discussing 2 different things.....I fully agree that the ratio would remain constant. But if you suspended a sled in the air and wrapped a string completely around the same length track with one having 1 inch lugs and another with 3 inch lugs. ......it's obvious the 3inch lug would require a longer string. If you laid those strings side.by side the 3 inch lug string would be longer.....and that equals distance. The inside diameter of the track is equal but the longer lugs make the outside diameter larger. So 1 full rotation of these 2 TRACKS not the clutch or cogs would yeild a difference in distance. I thought that is what the original bet was about. Nope....not at all. The bet is about if the sled will travel a greater distance with the longer lugs and it will not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: I think we are discussing 2 different things.....I fully agree that the ratio would remain constant. But if you suspended a sled in the air and wrapped a string completely around the same length track with one having 1 inch lugs and another with 3 inch lugs. ......it's obvious the 3inch lug would require a longer string. If you laid those strings side.by side the 3 inch lug string would be longer.....and that equals distance. The inside diameter of the track is equal but the longer lugs make the outside diameter larger. So 1 full rotation of these 2 TRACKS not the clutch or cogs would yeild a difference in distance. I thought that is what the original bet was about. I see where you could think that, and that was the crux of the original debate. But that string in your example would also be longer with a longer track. However, since the point of contact is linear and not rotational, the circumference of the track has no effect like a taller tire would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 🤦🏼♂️ Anyone not on Team Bhent to Shit. Needs to die in a fire. I feel like Ben has been too cordial, so I am stepping in with useless insults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Other than your sled is 11.5" taller 3 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: I think we are discussing 2 different things.....I fully agree that the ratio would remain constant. But if you suspended a sled in the air and wrapped a string completely around the same length track with one having 1 inch lugs and another with 3 inch lugs. ......it's obvious the 3inch lug would require a longer string. If you laid those strings side.by side the 3 inch lug string would be longer.....and that equals distance. The inside diameter of the track is equal but the longer lugs make the outside diameter larger. So 1 full rotation of these 2 TRACKS not the clutch or cogs would yeild a difference in distance. I thought that is what the original bet was about. The sled only moves the length of the inner diameter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: 🤦🏼♂️ Anyone not on Team Bhent to Shit. Needs to die in a fire. I feel like Ben has been too cordial, so I am stepping in with useless insults. I've been trying to be nice.......buttcocks and Daive almost had me killing a few people today but I didnt fall for their trolling..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 12 fucking pages? I'm gonna start one about an airplane taking off on a conveyer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 put 1 foot studs on the track and the distance traveled in one revolution wouldn’t change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted December 18, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I see where you could think that, and that was the crux of the original debate. But that string in your example would also be longer with a longer track. However, since the point of contact is linear and not rotational, the circumference of the track has no effect like a taller tire would. 18 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: The sled only moves the length of the inner diameter 14 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: put 1 foot studs on the track and the distance traveled in one revolution wouldn’t change Ok....I'm struggling with this a little bit but the inner diameter and linear movement does make sense. I'd almost have to see it in action to fully believe it. Call the bet off 550.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Ok....I'm struggling with this a little bit but the inner diameter and linear movement does make sense. I'd almost have to see it in action to fo uully believe it. Call the bet off 550.... doesnt it suck when you were so sure and then it hits you ..........just like I said about 8 pages back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted December 18, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Ok....I'm struggling with this a little bit but the inner diameter and linear movement does make sense. I'd almost have to see it in action to fully believe it. Call the bet off 550.... cut an lay equal length tracks flat.... Say 162 inch tracks.... One with no lugs and one with 3 in lugs.... The tracks would be the same length when laid out flat Now cut a 31 in tire and stretch it out flat and a 35 inch tire and stretch it out flat.... 35 inch tire is longer If you can understand that, you are getting somewhere and there is hope for you. Edited December 18, 2018 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Ok....I'm struggling with this a little bit but the inner diameter and linear movement does make sense. I'd almost have to see it in action to fully believe it. Call the bet off 550.... I had to see it in action. I took an old drive belt, put a few nails in it, and moved it on a bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted December 18, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: doesnt it suck when you were so sure and then it hits you ..........just like I said about 8 pages back Yup What can I tell ya.....slow learner Still not totally sold....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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