XCR1250 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Toyota ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Toyota ftw Good post! First one in weeks I think!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Bullshit 101, and she still stumbled... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 She's a smooth talker, should be a politician. Anybody still think we should have bailed them out? GM should have gone the way of Lehman Brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: She's a smooth talker, should be a politician. Anybody still think we should have bailed them out? GM should have gone the way of Lehman Brothers. All American car companies should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 54 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: All American car companies should. yeah then we can all drive British and Italian junk around waiting for the next electrical melt down . don't you drive a clapped out minie van with over 200k on her ? good luck pulling close to that on a land rover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Toyota ftw 2 million built in America in 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 11 hours ago, teamgreen02 said: She's a smooth talker, should be a politician. Anybody still think we should have bailed them out? GM should have gone the way of Lehman Brothers. GM paid it all back, Ford took more in Government loans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 11 hours ago, teamgreen02 said: She's a smooth talker, should be a politician. Anybody still think we should have bailed them out? GM should have gone the way of Lehman Brothers. Never once did I think the taxpayer should have bailed them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 6, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 6, 2018 Optics are beyond horrible but there is more here than meets the eye regarding union contracts and what not. I don't envy her position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: GM paid it all back, Ford took more in Government loans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: GM paid it all back, Ford took more in Government loans. The taxpayers picked up the bill for $11.2 billion in loses on the GM deal so they can now lay off US workers and assemble cars with Chinese parts. Ford took a loan to make investments since GM and Chrysler were being subsidized. They shouldn't have got anything either. At least they are paying it all back with interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: I know, right. GM and Chrysler got $80 billion in bailouts and cost the tax payer over $10 billion. Ford took a $5.9 billion loan that they are repaying with interest tied to the US Treasure rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: I know, right. GM and Chrysler got $80 billion in bailouts and cost the tax payer over $10 billion. Ford took a $5.9 billion loan that they are repaying with interest tied to the US Treasure rate. You'd have to be near braindead not to get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, racer254 said: Never once did I think the taxpayer should have bailed them out. Nor I, however, a lot of auto suppliers would have been taken down with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 https://www.cars.com/articles/2010/12/report-ford-took-federal-funds-too/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: GM paid it all back, Ford took more in Government loans. Gm did not pay it back....they gave the gov stock that they lost money on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Optics are beyond horrible but there is more here than meets the eye regarding union contracts and what not. I don't envy her position. It's business, small or large businesses have to have leaders that make decisions that are not very popular with the workforce, no business can survive by allowing the status to quo go on forever. You understand this, others do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 minute ago, XCR1250 said: https://www.cars.com/articles/2010/12/report-ford-took-federal-funds-too/ You just owned yourself....it says right in your link....fords loan was not a bailout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 minute ago, DAVE said: Gm did not pay it back....they gave the gov stock that they lost money on. This morning on NBC early they said GM paid it all back now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 Just now, DAVE said: You just owned yourself....it says right in your link....fords loan was not a bailout. Never said it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Just now, XCR1250 said: This morning on NBC early they said GM paid it all back now.. Ya....but....gm gave the gov stock....which the gov lost money on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 6, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Nor I, however, a lot of auto suppliers would have been taken down with them. Why?Americans will buy so many cars. If Ford is building those cars instead of GM they will still need parts for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Just now, XCR1250 said: Never said it was. What is your point then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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