Snoslinger Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: So for Auto alone, component percentage goes from 63% to 75% must be made in North America, and the percent of components made by someone making $16+ an hour goes to 40% of the vehicle. Sounds like a big win there. That in essence is decreasing foreign manufacturing and boosting our manufacturing. Drives product away from being outsourced to Mexico for cheap labor or forces them to increase the standard of living which will reduce illegal immigration and crime. Just this portion of the new deal, alone, makes it worth it. Gotta call a win a win, even for those who hate Trump. dude, you do realize north america is more countries than the US? do you also realize that mexican workers will get a pay raise, and still be considerably cheaper than US labor? add in all the other factors, and mexico is still the meca of car manufacturing. this won't do shit to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: dude, you do realize north america is more countries than the US? do you also realize that mexican workers will get a pay raise, and still be considerably cheaper than US labor? add in all the other factors, and mexico is still the meca of car manufacturing. this won't do shit to change that. Dude, do you realize you don’t know shit about economics? If you don’t think increasing component requirements to NA and min wage requirements won’t help the US and the rest of NA as a whole, you need to leave this thread and never return. End of story. Take your Trump blinders off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Dude, do you realize you don’t know shit about economics? If you don’t think increasing component requirements to NA and min wage requirements won’t help the US and the rest of NA as a whole, you need to leave this thread and never return. End of story. Take your Trump blinders off... even if that aspect were true, jumping from 63% to 75% is bigly? it is you that has the blinders on, still. Edited October 2, 2018 by Snoslinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: even if that aspect were true, jumping from 63% to 75% is bigly? it is you that has the blinders on, still. given the size of that market a 20% increase is solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: even if that aspect were true, jumping from 63% to 75% is bigly? it is you that has the blinders on, still. It's a 20 fucking percent increase. What kinda of sweet-ass raises do you get at your job? Sheeesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Angry ginger said: given the size of that market a 20% increase is solid FAGGOT! Beat me by 2 seconds! I'm glad Woolie gave you the boot!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 trade deals trumps biggest none negotiable ‘must haves’ in each not included. Hmmmmmm...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, frenchy said: 2 trade deals trumps biggest none negotiable ‘must haves’ in each not included. Hmmmmmm...... EU will sign a deal shortly. Then the pressure really mounts on China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: EU will sign a deal shortly. Then the pressure really mounts on China. What’s trump’s biggest demand on them? When it’s left out he can be a perfect 3 for 3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, frenchy said: What’s trump’s biggest demand on them? When it’s left out he can be a perfect 3 for 3! The deals include benefits to the US. When taken as a big picture process it's clear strides are being made. China has always been the target. Anything we get along the way is icing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: The deals include benefits to the US. When taken as a big picture process it's clear strides are being made. China has always been the target. Anything we get along the way is icing SK Deal - no wording on currency manipulation that trump said was absolutely necessary. FAIL. NAFTA - Chapter 19 must be removed. Said trump. FAIL EU - what will it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, frenchy said: SK Deal - no wording on currency manipulation that trump said was absolutely necessary. FAIL. NAFTA - Chapter 19 must be removed. Said trump. FAIL EU - what will it be? I dont give a fuck what trump said. Hes a fucking moron. The deals include benefits to the US that we did not have prior. China will offer large concessions or they will be decimated. The end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: I dont give a fuck what trump said. Hes a fucking moron. The deals include benefits to the US that we did not have prior. China will offer large concessions or they will be decimated. The end Oh so he didn’t get everything he asked for and demanded? As for china - concessions on what? THere is no trade deal currently in place so tell me what they are going to ‘concede’ Thanks for playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: given the size of that market a 20% increase is solid do you know what % of NA parts are in mexican made cars now? do you not think there are ways to get around this? fudge numbers? still have parts from any other NA country, instead of US? this won't amount to jack shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Oh and trump promised $19T in debt elimination over 8 years on the back of his glorious trade deals. PM me when that starts to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 i worked for a tier 1 automotive supplier here in the US. they shut down and moved operations to mexico. guess what? those parts are still made in NA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 xtraBS, .7momo, momo and many other economic experts thought trump was going to go into these trade talks with his dick swinging, and everyone cowering to us so they could get into our markets. yeah that worked out great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, frenchy said: Oh so he didn’t get everything he asked for and demanded? As for china - concessions on what? THere is no trade deal currently in place so tell me what they are going to ‘concede’ Thanks for playing. China will reduce or eliminate Tariffs. They will agree to intellectual property rules and they will lower steel capacity. All things they have promised and never delivered on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Every American will pay more for everything they buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: China will reduce or eliminate Tariffs. They will agree to intellectual property rules and they will lower steel capacity. All things they have promised and never delivered on You’ve been wrong on everything trade related to date. No reason to stop now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1R9sledder Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Every American will pay more for everything they buy. We should call you Captain Obvious, never mind that moniker has been taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, frenchy said: You’ve been wrong on everything trade related to date. No reason to stop now. you said one deal and NAFTA would take months if ever. 48hrs later NAFTA is done. fucking kill yourself you moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 2, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 2, 2018 It needs to be signed.....and the steel/aluminum tariffs will be a sticking point. Is this similar to the stellar NK denuclearization deal....??? How many any times do you stupid fuckers need to be mislead..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: do you know what % of NA parts are in mexican made cars now? do you not think there are ways to get around this? fudge numbers? still have parts from any other NA country, instead of US? this won't amount to jack shit. Thanks for proving what I assumed, you are economically illiterate. 20% more of every car produced in NA (Not just American Company cars, but every car company that makes a car in NA) will not be able to source those parts in Asia or Europe. That is an enormous number. That is American, Canadian, and Mexican jobs. More so America and Canada since we have the ability to pay $16 an hour. Let’s put a number to it. In 2017, 17.8 million vehicles were produced in North America. 20% more of each one of those cars must now be wholly sourced in our countries. 40% of all 17.8 million vehicles components must now be made by someone making $16 an hour. That number is huge. That number is poised to be at 22.5 million vehicles in 5 years. Here are some more numbers: $33,380 is the average price of a new car. The industry avaerages $2000 per car for profit making your average cost to produce a car, $31,380. 22.5 million cars x $31,380 = $706 Billion a year that the “measley” 20% increase is added to. $706 Billion is what 40% of all components must have a $16 an hour employee producing. That’s one fucking year MCSlinger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Every American will pay more for everything they buy. These are US and Canadian manufacturing middle class jobs coming home you fucking ritard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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