ArcticCrusher Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: BTW, she makes less than the $15 per hour Bernie wage... Neal Here the Spec Ed teachers handle them and make more than the classroom teachers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I’ve been there....these guys that think it’s a cakewalk don’t get it and never will. No one is saying it's a cakewalk. But every job has it's pros and cons. If you don't like it, BYE. Our school has the same number of students as 20 years ago, but we have 2 times the staff and they built a building to make it a 3rd bigger in rooms. Maybe the focus should be on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Per Bernie wage? How's the bennie's package? Horrible. Healthcare is covered (medium level policy) but retirement is a tiny sliver of her salary. She has been in the South Dakota retirement system for 7 years and has less than $3,000 banked from the state. It's horribly disgusting. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Here the Spec Ed teachers handle them and make more than the classroom teachers. She is second in the special education department. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: No one is saying it's a cakewalk. But every job has it's pros and cons. If you don't like it, BYE. Our school has the same number of students as 20 years ago, but we have 2 times the staff and they built a building to make it a 3rd bigger in rooms. Maybe the focus should be on that. What district is that? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Here the kids with LD's are the ones who are neglected by the education system the most. The supports are in place with IEP's, but often they do not get implemented and unless the kids either advocate for themselves or parents speak up, they usually get left behind. These are kids with mild learning deficiencies in say one subject that can easily be brought back. My wife works with all the IEP development for her school. It is truly sad the number of IEP kids that don't have involved or supporting parents. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: My wife works with all the IEP development for her school. It is truly sad the number of IEP kids that don't have involved or supporting parents. Neal It's the biggest argument supporting parents have against the schools, when there is a serious disconnect between spec ed and the classroom teacher and the supports are not being met. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted April 25, 2018 USA Contributing Member Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: There are certain people that think Minimum Wage is too much for teachers...these threads always go the same way and always will and it clears from your tone where you stand. Why the blanket statement, can you give me an answer? You accuse me of sarcasm in one response and then throw out a statement like this when I ask a question. How about an answer tough guy? I told you my mother was a teacher for 20+ years, your statement about my tone is misdirected and the comment was obviously made to guide this thread which I'm sure was apparent to most of the readers. Put your fishing pole down and tell me what your thing a salary range for todays teacher should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted April 25, 2018 USA Contributing Member Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, SnowRider said: You’re not happy....you’re pissed you’re paying taxes. You’re not fooling anyone with your sarcasm so STFU How about you focus on the discussion rather than my sarcasm. I don't mind paying taxes, my kid is in a good school system and most of my tax money goes towards it. You have an idea what a teacher should be worth or you going to just throw out comments like this as a response? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, $poorsledder$ said: How about you focus on the discussion rather than my sarcasm. I don't mind paying taxes, my kid is in a good school system and most of my tax money goes towards it. You have an idea what a teacher should be worth or you going to just throw out comments like this as a response? When your wife is pretty much the sole bread winner, you need that to be as much as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 15 hours ago, Ez ryder said: what are,you considering shit? are you comparing numbers to other union professions in az ? i bet a tenur teacher in az is doing better than 70k and a pension and full medical and dental and disability and vacation on top of the every holiday in the calender and the 3 month summer vacation. 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Horrible. Healthcare is covered (medium level policy) but retirement is a tiny sliver of her salary. She has been in the South Dakota retirement system for 7 years and has less than $3,000 banked from the state. It's horribly disgusting. Neal Wrong asshole. They get $70k and a pension and full medical and dental. See above stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted April 25, 2018 USA Contributing Member Share Posted April 25, 2018 27 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: When your wife is pretty much the sole bread winner, you need that to be as much as possible. Still waiting on what the experts on this site have to say. All I get is deflection on how I don't want to pay taxes or that I must hate teachers. If his wife is the sole bread winner of the family as a public educator and his argument is she needs to be paid more due to the poor financial planning on their part then he should have included this in the discussion. There are barely any single income middleclass families left in this country, I wouldn't expect the salary of a public school teacher to provide privilege to his family so he can sit his fat ass on a couch all day while she works. No sarcasm there...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, $poorsledder$ said: Still waiting on what the experts on this site have to say. All I get is deflection on how I don't want to pay taxes or that I must hate teachers. If his wife is the sole bread winner of the family as a public educator and his argument is she needs to be paid more due to the poor financial planning on their part then he should have included this in the discussion. There are barely any single income middleclass families left in this country, I wouldn't expect the salary of a public school teacher to provide privilege to his family so he can sit his fat ass on a couch all day while she works. No sarcasm there...... I said pretty much the sole breadwinner. He works selling light (sorry led) bulbs. Sarcasm all the way. Edited April 25, 2018 by ArcticCrusher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said: What district is that? Neal Does it matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted April 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, racer254 said: Does it matter? You’re full of shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted April 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 hours ago, racer254 said: I am still waiting on what job and salary you think these teachers should be comparable to. You and many others have failed to answer this one simple question. Already been answered.....you’re simply so fucking stupid you can’t decipher the answer unless it’s black and white. Backread and STFU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 hours ago, SnowRider said: What entitles a contractor/slum lord who can’t spell or put a coherent sentence together to a higher standard of living... well I don't know busting up my body for 30 yrs . and you make my point on the welfare state of America thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Already been answered.....you’re simply so fucking stupid you can’t decipher the answer unless it’s black and white. Backread and STFU Answer it again. Better yet, Show me the link of where it was answered in this thread. Who should teachers be compared to? Edited April 25, 2018 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Would you rather have them hurting? Should they live in dumpy apartments and take the bus to work? did I say that? I am saying they chose there job and i don't see any standing around the food shelf line . teachers,do just fine after they have been at it a few yrs. what do you think they should earn for there 7 he days 9 mo a year with job security unmatched by anything I can think of ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, racer254 said: Does it matter? Yes it does. What school has doubled the teaching staff in 20 years with a flat enrollment. That is scandalous and should be outed. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Yes it does. What school has doubled the teaching staff in 20 years with a flat enrollment. That is scandalous and should be outed. Neal It's the support staff that has gone up. Teacher aids, assistants, janitorial staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 49 minutes ago, racer254 said: It's the support staff that has gone up. Teacher aids, assistants, janitorial staff. Yea, and even then doubling is outrageous. Can you tell us what district please? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Yea, and even then doubling is outrageous. Can you tell us what district please? Neal I will try and get actual numbers first. I have friends on the school board that may know exact numbers. BTW, I still would like an answer on who teachers should be comparable with when it comes to salary figures. That is what this thread is about, but no one seems to want to do that. Edited April 25, 2018 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted April 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, racer254 said: I will try and get actual numbers first. I have friends on the school board that may know exact numbers. BTW, I still would like an answer on who teachers should be comparable with when it comes to salary figures. That is what this thread is about, but no one seems to want to do that. An engineer , or anyone else with a BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted April 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 25, 2018 19 hours ago, SnowRider said: The following info is certainly over your head as you’re a simpleton in the truest sense of the word.....but try to wrap your pea sized brain around it.... Countries with exceptional student achievement treat teaching as a highly selective profession that is accorded tremendous prestige and competitive compensation," wrote the authors. "Only the very best students are admitted into teaching programs in Singapore, Finland, and South Korea, for example, and standards are especially high for elementary school teachers" "The United States could consider options such as college grants for high-performing students who choose teaching, to remove the obstacle of future student loan debt," they add. "But regardless of the mechanisms chosen, teachers should be celebrated and respected as skilled professionals who provide a vital public service." http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-where-teachers-get-paid-more-2013-7 6 minutes ago, racer254 said: I will try and get actual numbers first. I have friends on the school board that may know exact numbers. BTW, I still would like an answer on who teachers should be comparable with when it comes to salary figures. That is what this thread is about, but no one seems to want to do that. It’s already been done dumbfuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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