Great piece on today's youth.

[Anler]

1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Just here making sure everyone knows, that as a millennial, I know everything. 

 

 

[Angry ginger]

6 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said:

I am looking for a college grad to hire and train as an estimator. I was thinking I can get one on the cheap being as they are right out of school. So I called one of my buds with a fairly large GC that we work for (who hires a shitload of college grads) and asked him how much they are paying these kids. He said $50-$60k a year starting. I dont know how much you made in your first job out of school but I wasnt making that much. And that was more than I was expecting but I am probably still going to do it because I need young healthy people in here to replace all of the old fat unhealthy people that are costing me a fortune in health insurance premiums!!11

given inflation that may not go even as far as the 25k a year jobs that were out there when i graduated.  

[Anler]

Just now, steve from amherst said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/13/millennials-falling-behind-boomer-parents/96530338/

Oh well is that fake news or legit?  Just telling you how things are for people who are actually hiring. The numbers I am hearing about others (other industries) who are hiring are damn shocking. These kids are getting way more money than people of my generation did coming out of school. 

[Anler]

2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

given inflation that may not go even as far as the 25k a year jobs that were out there when i graduated.  

$25k in the 50's? Probably not. Seeing as that is a shitload more than some boomers and middle aged people I know are making currently id say its not too bad. Maybe we should ask the millennial hipster what he is seeing. @xtralettucetomatoe580

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

15 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said:

$25k in the 50's? Probably not. Seeing as that is a shitload more than some boomers and middle aged people I know are making currently id say its not too bad. Maybe we should ask the millennial hipster what he is seeing. @xtralettucetomatoe580

We start new grads at about $50k up here in a much lower cost of living area than the big city. We pay well, but we aren’t unique. Lot of good paying jobs right now. 

[Edmo]

17 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said:

$25k in the 50's? Probably not. Seeing as that is a shitload more than some boomers and middle aged people I know are making currently id say its not too bad. Maybe we should ask the millennial hipster what he is seeing. @xtralettucetomatoe580

50-60k is the new 25k. That was a long time ago...

[DriftBusta]

“Neocon beatoff piece.”  Never mind the gist of the article which was spot on.  Me thinks analer needs to find some new words to over use.  

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

“Neocon beatoff piece.”  Never mind the gist of the article which was spot on.  Me thinks analer needs to find some new words to over use.  

No, it was shit. And if it wasn’t shit, their work ethic and such are directly your fault. Congrats you lose either way.  

[MiSledder]

1 hour ago, Nazipigdog said:

I am looking for a college grad to hire and train as an estimator. I was thinking I can get one on the cheap being as they are right out of school. So I called one of my buds with a fairly large GC that we work for (who hires a shitload of college grads) and asked him how much they are paying these kids. He said $50-$60k a year starting. I dont know how much you made in your first job out of school but I wasnt making that much. And that was more than I was expecting but I am probably still going to do it because I need young healthy people in here to replace all of the old fat unhealthy people that are costing me a fortune in health insurance premiums!!11

great story

[MiSledder]

16 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

No, it was shit. And if it wasn’t shit, their work ethic and such are directly your fault. Congrats you lose either way.  

absolutely the millinials are my generations fault, for fucks sake we told em since birth theyre perfect, beautiful and can be anything and do anything they want, pampered them with trophies, put em on the highest pedestal and most parent lived through them like no other generation has,  I try to hire young kids, THEY DONT WANT TO WORK! 

 

[spin_dry]

Perhaps those that see a lot of shitty kids simply attract shitty people. The kids I encounter through family and friends are smart, creative, and ambitious. 

[MiSledder]

5 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

Perhaps those that see a lot of shitty kids simply attract shitty people. The kids I encounter through family and friends are smart, creative, and ambitious. 

lol

[Highmark]

6 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

Perhaps those that see a lot of shitty kids simply attract shitty people. The kids I encounter through family and friends are smart, creative, and ambitious. 

Nobody is saying its the entire generation but there is a fair share of them.

[Anler]

46 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

“Neocon beatoff piece.”  Never mind the gist of the article which was spot on.  Me thinks analer needs to find some new words to over use.  

Actually I was spot on.  

[Zambroski]

7 hours ago, Highmark said:

This is Bruce Thornton, Shillman Journalism Fellow, David Horowitz Freedom Center. This is from FrontPageMag.com. “Teenagers Make Great Progressive Shock Troops.”  Even just read the bold.  

“Once upon a time, experience in a hard, indifferent world, the virtues like self-reliance and impulse-control nourished by faith and tradition, and an education based on mental skills and the lessons of history taught the young that their feelings and ‘self-esteem’ don’t amount to a hill of beans in this flawed world.”

Once upon a time experience mattered, virtue, self-reliance, impulse control nourished by faith and tradition and an education system that taught people how to think, taught the lessons of history, taught young people that feelings were no substitute for knowledge and experience.

“Once upon a time people learned that good deeds are more important than fine words, that acting on their impulses and seeking instant gratification carry a high price, and that duty and obligation and responsibility to others in the end are the foundations of our political and social order.

“Starting in the postwar fifties, increasing wealth, more time spent in school rather than factories and fields, consumer capitalism’s promotion of impulse-buying, and a culture of materialism that defines the self through fashion, consumption, and popular culture rather than through education, challenges, and character — all exacerbated the flaws of youth that the larger culture once tried to correct, but now indulged.”

So he’s saying that the descent into current pop culture can be traced back to the economic boom of the postwar fifties. He’s not blaming economic booms. He’s not blaming a good economy. What he says is that with the increased wealth per capita, family income, more time spent in school rather than in factories and fields, so more professional training rather than vocational, consumer advertising promoting impulse buying and a culture of materialism as a definition of yourself. And of course yourself is defined by fashion, consumption, pop culture. That’s when it all began.

Movies, music, and soon the therapeutic curricula of schools reinforced and glorified these flaws rather than disciplining and correcting them. The ‘human sciences’ replaced the doctrines of faith and wisdom of tradition in explaining human nature and its proper aims. The last three generations have been marinated in these social and cultural dysfunctions –” So he’s talking about anywhere from 60 to 75 years. So the last 60 to 75 years people have marinated, kids have “marinated in these social and cultural dysfunctions that have resulted in a sense of entitlement and outlandish expectations. Adolescence has been extended far beyond the traditional beginning of adulthood.”

That means parents are perfectly fine with their kids not growing up. Parents are perfectly fine with their kids remaining kids. I have a story in the Stack today, 75% of Millennials, mom and dad are still paying most of the bills, even after they’ve left the house. Because their parents say, “It’s so hard out there.” Good Lord. But, anyway, Mr. Thornton here is exactly right. Adolescence has been extended far beyond the traditional beginning of adulthood. What would you say that is, 21? Graduating from college, you’re an adult, you strike out on your own.

Anyway, it’s a great point here that parents have willingly accepted that their adult kids are still their kids, they’re still adolescents. This has been “increasingly shaped by a leftist political ideology that rationalizes and exculpates bad character and destructive choices as the fault of a corrupt political, economic, and social system. But the old-left call for the violent overthrow of such an evil establishment is now merely a rhetorical flourish. Symbolic politics like marches and demonstrations that occasionally stray into vandalism and petty thuggery are preferred, for they are relatively risk-free, and draw the attention of sympathetic media and like-minded adults who praise the youngsters’ ‘passion’ and ‘commitment’ to ‘change’ and a ‘better world.'”

Take David [‘Camera’] Hogg, who was present during the attack last month on the high school in Parkland. The 17-year-old appears with four other Stoneman Douglas students on the cover of Time [magazine], and has become a darling of the anti-gun crowd for his profanity-laced tantrums that demonstrate perfectly the portrait sketched above…” Adolescents not being reined in. Profane language and behavior being applauded.

Isn’t he cute? Don’t we want to reward his passion and commitment? You know, I ask people who have kids, “Would you let your kid be doin’ this?  Would you let your kid go on national TV at a march and make YouTube videos, and every other word be the F-bomb?”  “No way!  No way!”  See, every parent that I ask… Where are this kid’s parents?  I don’t know.  I don’t know anything about him.  I don’t know if they’re applauding.  I don’t know if they’re troubled by it.

He’s out there calling the people that he’s upset with “‘The pathetic f—ers that want to keep killing our children, they could have blood from children splattered all over their faces and they wouldn’t take action because they all still see those dollar signs,’ [Hogg] said of the NRA and” people like Marco Rubio. “Notice how this…” I’m reading now Mr. Thornton. “Notice how this callow youth simply regurgitates the stale clichés of the gun-control fundamentalists. [This kid] obviously has no clue that the NRA has political clout not because of the pittance it gives politicians compared to, say, public-employee unions…”

No! “[T]he NRA has political clout … because millions” and millions and millions of Americans support it to defend a constitutional right they cherish.  “Nor does [this kid]  realize that a young person dying in a mass school shooting by a psychopath with a rifle is a rare occurrence, compared to dying in a car accident, or being beaten to death, or being killed by a motorist while walking or biking to school. He has no clue that the demonized, perfectly legal AR-15 was already banned from 1994-2004, without lowering gun-deaths…

“Like his equally addled elders, he can’t fathom that more regulations of guns do nothing to keep them out of the hands of” bad guys.  In other words, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about — and it was that long ago where people that didn’t know what they were talking about were not given pedestals, and were not proclaimed experts, and the rest of the country was not required to agree and shut up.  The rest of the country was not required to applaud and say, “Isn’t that cute!”

And the rest of the country was not prohibited from calling out that whoever didn’t know what they were talking about.  But all of that’s changed.  We can’t criticize it! We have to respect it. We have to applaud it for reasons that have nothing to do with fact, reasons that have nothing to do with truth.  “This same juvenile thinking characterizes another high-school teen, this one interviewed by The Wall Street Journal:

“‘I make it a point to tell my mother I love her every day, because I want that to be the last thing I say to her in case anything happens to me at school,’ [the student] said, adding that gun violence ‘is something I don’t want to have to think about on a daily basis.’ While the young [student] is obsessing over the rare deaths from school shootings, 11 teens die every day from texting while driving. But we see no mass-movement to hold cell-phone manufacturers, and their billions spent in lobbying po[itician]s, responsible for the carnage their products cause.”

And likewise my old standby: We don’t see anybody protesting the automobile companies because the number of people killed every year by the wheel dwarfs the number of students shot in school.  “Throw in drug overdoses and drunk-drivers, and kids and their parents have much more likely risks to worry about when a child leaves for school.” He’s the thing: “But we can’t blame the young. The progressive transformation of our culture has been directed at creating just such students, whose natural inclinations to self-drama and emotion rather than thinking make them perfect constituents for an ideology that flourishes among those who obsess over their feelings, and who demand the elimination of the sad constants of risk and suffering.

“The tragic wisdom that flawed humans are free to choose wickedness, and that the utopia of a world without risk or suffering is impossible, contradicts the pipe dreams of the left,” and all they are teaching. “So those who believe traditional wisdom must be trained from an early age to [give up] their freedom and autonomy to the technocratic elite that needs them to remain children.”  So his point is that those kids are who they are because somebody has a design that it stay that way, that they become useful, that they become trained not to think but rather as sponges.

And they grow up to be exactly who they are as 17-year-olds, and they never change.

And they end up being incapable of self-reliance, incapable of thinking for themselves, incapable of being moved by facts.

 

I thought this was a good piece.  Some really great points most see as right on the money.

7 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Lots of conjecture and assuming in that article.

Neal

Journalism.

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

Just now, Zambroski said:

I thought this was a good piece.  Some really great points most see as right on the money.

Journalism.

You’re such a derp. 

[Anler]

1 hour ago, Edmo said:

50-60k is the new 25k. That was a long time ago...

Well my first year out of school working I think I made $27k. And I was poor as fuck. Had to sell weed to make ends. So I think $50-$60k is pretty good to start. Thats more than alot of medium income area in the US. 

[Anler]

Just now, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

You’re such a derp. 

Its a neocon beat off piece. And the neocons are verifying that. 

[Zambroski]

1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

You’re such a derp. 

Shut yur whole.  Butt fuck.   

Just now, Nazipigdog said:

Its a neocon beat off piece. And the neocons are verifying that. 

"I'm a libertarian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Neocons!!!!!1  Neocons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Neocons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 

Idiocy.  You guys gonna put up somebody that may stand a chance in 2020?  

[Anler]

Just now, Zambroski said:

Shut yur whole.  Butt fuck.   

"I'm a libertarian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Neocons!!!!!1  Neocons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Neocons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 

Idiocy.  You guys gonna put up somebody that may stand a chance in 2020?  

You still licking your wounds from the beating Ben gave you?

 

 

[Highmark]

3 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said:

Well my first year out of school working I think I made $27k. And I was poor as fuck. Had to sell weed to make ends. So I think $50-$60k is pretty good to start. Thats more than alot of medium income area in the US. 

How old are you?   $27K in 1995 is like $45K today.  

[Zambroski]

Just now, Nazipigdog said:

You still licking your wounds from the beating Ben gave you?

 

 

What wounds? 

[hayward]

7 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said:

Well my first year out of school working I think I made $27k. And I was poor as fuck. Had to sell weed to make ends. So I think $50-$60k is pretty good to start. Thats more than alot of medium income area in the US. 

Well, I had it  sort of the same.  I shoveled shit.

[Wildboer]

2 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

What wounds? 

The multiple new assholes he tore you...

 

This piece is literally retarded bullshit by the way.

[Zambroski]

1 minute ago, Wildboer said:

The multiple new assholes he tore you...

 

This piece is literally retarded bullshit by the way.

He didn't tear anything.  I'm good.  I enjoyed the Sunday banter.  I loved all you retards coming in and trying to slap then when I questioned you and tried to get you involved.  POOF! 

Now, what part of this piece did you find "bullshit"?