XCR1250 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I see starting in 2018 in Wisconsin fully electric cars will pay a yearly $100 fee and Hybrids will in the near future, revenue lost from Gas tax is the reason as that tax is used to repair and build all roads, I can see this going up often as more folks choose EV's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 31, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 31, 2017 Good , these are the same people bitching about others paying their fair share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Most major cities offer prime parking for EV,s in downtown locations along with free charging. thats a great perk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Mainecat said: Most major cities offer prime parking for EV,s in downtown locations along with free charging. thats a great perk For now... once the driver is hooked and reeled in then they get to start paying through the nose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted December 31, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted December 31, 2017 Tesla is starting to charge for use of supercharger network and fine people for taking up spots to long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, 02sled said: For now... once the driver is hooked and reeled in then they get to start paying through the nose. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Really? Really... you think free charging of your electric car is going to last forever. You think you're not going to be paying for building and maintaining the roads your electric car drives on. Think about how long it takes to fill up a gas tank on a car versus how long it takes to recharge an electric car. Even when the times get shorter it will still be a lot longer than topping up a tank. Picture the now commercial for profit charging stations that will cover the same amount of ground as a football field to accommodate the charging needs as the number of electric cars grows. That enormous piece of real estate doesn't come for free. Then the overhead of operating it. Think about all the upgraded electrical infrastructure that would be needed to feed a charging station for perhaps a hundred cars at a time. The turnover of those charging connections won't be one every 3 or 4 minutes like a gas pump. None of this is free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 good when the primary funding for roads is fuel taxes and we push for increased mpg and now subsidize EV did anyone in the government not understand how that was going to destroy the infrastructure funding model. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: good when the primary funding for roads is fuel taxes and we push for increased mpg and now subsidize EV did anyone in the government not understand how that was going to destroy the infrastructure funding model. Simple solution. Just create another agency to investigate what happened, then earmark several hundred billion to continue subsidies for all the special interest folks and cause a basic Chevy Impala to cost over 75 grand if there were no subsidies at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 7:46 AM, Mainecat said: Most major cities offer prime parking for EV,s in downtown locations along with free charging. thats a great perk That's going away. I'm seeing credit card readers on a lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 2017-12-31 at 11:03 AM, 02sled said: Really... you think free charging of your electric car is going to last forever. You think you're not going to be paying for building and maintaining the roads your electric car drives on. Think about how long it takes to fill up a gas tank on a car versus how long it takes to recharge an electric car. Even when the times get shorter it will still be a lot longer than topping up a tank. Picture the now commercial for profit charging stations that will cover the same amount of ground as a football field to accommodate the charging needs as the number of electric cars grows. That enormous piece of real estate doesn't come for free. Then the overhead of operating it. Think about all the upgraded electrical infrastructure that would be needed to feed a charging station for perhaps a hundred cars at a time. The turnover of those charging connections won't be one every 3 or 4 minutes like a gas pump. None of this is free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 7:46 AM, Mainecat said: Most major cities offer prime parking for EV,s in downtown locations along with free charging. thats a great perk who pays that tab? fuck that shit put your card in the slot and pay your fucking bills it is not your neighbors job to fill your car . I am glad states are starting to charge a fee for lost gas tax . every one has to pay for the roads who use them . yes I also think bikes should be paying a 100buck a yr tax min 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, ICEMAN! said: what do you find amusing about his post it is a reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Ez ryder said: what do you find amusing about his post it is a reality “Football field sized charging stations” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 11:03 AM, 02sled said: Really... you think free charging of your electric car is going to last forever. You think you're not going to be paying for building and maintaining the roads your electric car drives on. Think about how long it takes to fill up a gas tank on a car versus how long it takes to recharge an electric car. Even when the times get shorter it will still be a lot longer than topping up a tank. Picture the now commercial for profit charging stations that will cover the same amount of ground as a football field to accommodate the charging needs as the number of electric cars grows. That enormous piece of real estate doesn't come for free. Then the overhead of operating it. Think about all the upgraded electrical infrastructure that would be needed to feed a charging station for perhaps a hundred cars at a time. The turnover of those charging connections won't be one every 3 or 4 minutes like a gas pump. None of this is free. Oh geeze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 11:03 AM, 02sled said: Really... you think free charging of your electric car is going to last forever. You think you're not going to be paying for building and maintaining the roads your electric car drives on. Think about how long it takes to fill up a gas tank on a car versus how long it takes to recharge an electric car. Even when the times get shorter it will still be a lot longer than topping up a tank. Picture the now commercial for profit charging stations that will cover the same amount of ground as a football field to accommodate the charging needs as the number of electric cars grows. That enormous piece of real estate doesn't come for free. Then the overhead of operating it. Think about all the upgraded electrical infrastructure that would be needed to feed a charging station for perhaps a hundred cars at a time. The turnover of those charging connections won't be one every 3 or 4 minutes like a gas pump. None of this is free. did you forget who you quoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 hours ago, ICEMAN! said: “Football field sized charging stations” What is so hard for you to understand about that. Today it takes under 5 minutes to fill a gas tank and pay for it. Then the next car comes up. It's a concept called turn over rate. Time to charge an electric car can take as little as 30 minutes or up to 12 hours. The time it takes to charge depends on the size of the battery and the speed of the charging point. A typical electric car (Nissan LEAF 30kWh) takes 4 hours to charge from empty with a 7kW home charging point. So now you have the first electric car pull up to one of what 6 charging stations, something like the number of pumps a good sized gas station will have. He's going to be there at least 30 minutes. Maybe he's going to go inside and get something to eat. Odds are he's not going to sit in his car for 30 minutes. Now all 6 charging stations are in use for 30+ minutes. You think there won't be any more than 6 cars needing a recharge every 30 minutes and it will turn over smoothly. The seventh car arriving is going to be looking for a charging station. And the 8th and the 9th and so on. Before you know it in order to provide timely service to the customer you have that football field sized lot full of charging stations. Don't forget 30 minutes is a best case scenario... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, 02sled said: What is so hard for you to understand about that. Today it takes under 5 minutes to fill a gas tank and pay for it. Then the next car comes up. It's a concept called turn over rate. Time to charge an electric car can take as little as 30 minutes or up to 12 hours. The time it takes to charge depends on the size of the battery and the speed of the charging point. A typical electric car (Nissan LEAF 30kWh) takes 4 hours to charge from empty with a 7kW home charging point. So now you have the first electric car pull up to one of what 6 charging stations, something like the number of pumps a good sized gas station will have. He's going to be there at least 30 minutes. Maybe he's going to go inside and get something to eat. Odds are he's not going to sit in his car for 30 minutes. Now all 6 charging stations are in use for 30+ minutes. You think there won't be any more than 6 cars needing a recharge every 30 minutes and it will turn over smoothly. The seventh car arriving is going to be looking for a charging station. And the 8th and the 9th and so on. Before you know it in order to provide timely service to the customer you have that football field sized lot full of charging stations. Don't forget 30 minutes is a best case scenario... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: I would think business would install charging stations.....if customers will have to wait a half hour the red lobster might want to invest in free charging....win win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mainecat said: I would think business would install charging stations.....if customers will have to wait a half hour the red lobster might want to invest in free charging....win win You're on your way to the cottage where gas stations are few and far between today.... what now for charging stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted January 4, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted January 4, 2018 Tesla charges 40 cents a minute for every minute your car sits at a supercharger when full on charge. Plus any new Tesla customers pay for electricity used on their network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, 02sled said: You're on your way to the cottage where gas stations are few and far between today.... what now for charging stations. We always stop halfway for lunch or dinner. PS gas stations are plentiful and most are 24/7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted January 4, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted January 4, 2018 In California you pay 20 cents per kWh to charge your Tesla at the super charger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rw06GT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, 02sled said: What is so hard for you to understand about that. Today it takes under 5 minutes to fill a gas tank and pay for it. Then the next car comes up. It's a concept called turn over rate. Time to charge an electric car can take as little as 30 minutes or up to 12 hours. The time it takes to charge depends on the size of the battery and the speed of the charging point. A typical electric car (Nissan LEAF 30kWh) takes 4 hours to charge from empty with a 7kW home charging point. So now you have the first electric car pull up to one of what 6 charging stations, something like the number of pumps a good sized gas station will have. He's going to be there at least 30 minutes. Maybe he's going to go inside and get something to eat. Odds are he's not going to sit in his car for 30 minutes. Now all 6 charging stations are in use for 30+ minutes. You think there won't be any more than 6 cars needing a recharge every 30 minutes and it will turn over smoothly. The seventh car arriving is going to be looking for a charging station. And the 8th and the 9th and so on. Before you know it in order to provide timely service to the customer you have that football field sized lot full of charging stations. Don't forget 30 minutes is a best case scenario... You are talking to someone that eats a big bowl of stoopid from the dogs dish every morning and then shits on the carpet. Have fun with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I had to pay for air last week. Left the vehicle out in the cold all week. Figured I might as well get tires up to pressure for the drive back home with the sled loaded. I finally gave up looking for free air after the third station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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