Roads and bridges are supposedly in decay and healthcare is a mess.

[Carlos Danger]

7 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

my god the memory of rwws is about as poor as their intellect. back when Obama created a lot infrastructure "shovel ready" jobs, all the rwws could do is cry and moan about the debt. now? they're bitching because there are still needs because obama didn't do enough.

 

 

Yea the debt we got out of Obama but the roads and bridges are still in disrepair.  He had 8 years so is it unreasonable to hold him accountable?

[Highmark]

17 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

But America needs a wall through the wilderness. Soooo fucked up.  

Supposedly and HC is a mess because of the dems.    

Edited October 30, 2017 by Highmark

[Snoslinger]

11 minutes ago, JEFF said:

Obama didn't create shit. He fast tracked a bunch of work that was already on the books. 

dude you can spin shit all you want but the truth of the matter is when Obama wanted funds to help us, you all said "no" because of the budget. we all knew you didn't give a shit about the budget, you just didn't want to help Obama with anything.

[NaturallyAspirated]

9 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

Yea the debt we got out of Obama but the roads and bridges are still in disrepair.  He had 8 years so is it unreasonable to hold him accountable?

Well that depends a bit.  Are this projects that were proposed under Obama or part of the spending?  Are they new projects? 

Neal

[NaturallyAspirated]

8 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Supposedly and HC is a mess because of the dems.    

More the Republicans actually.

Neal

[Snoslinger]

12 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

Yea the debt we got out of Obama but the roads and bridges are still in disrepair.  He had 8 years so is it unreasonable to hold him accountable?

well maybe if the GOP was on board at the time we'd have less infrastructure needs today! I dunno which is funnier actually, you thinking Obama is to blame, or that you expected all roads and bridges to be repaired

 

 

[Highmark]

7 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

More the Republicans actually.

Neal

  

 

[Highmark]

6 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

well maybe if the GOP was on board at the time we'd have less infrastructure needs today! I dunno which is funnier actually, you thinking Obama is to blame, or that you expected all roads and bridges to be repaired

 

 

So what happened to the $831 billion that was passed in 2009?

[NaturallyAspirated]

4 minutes ago, Highmark said:

  

 

Neal

[Sleepr2]

31 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

well maybe if the GOP was on board at the time we'd have less infrastructure needs today! I dunno which is funnier actually, you thinking Obama is to blame, or that you expected all roads and bridges to be repaired

 

 

There it is 

[racer254]

35 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

dude you can spin shit all you want but the truth of the matter is when Obama wanted funds to help us, you all said "no" because of the budget. we all knew you didn't give a shit about the budget, you just didn't want to help Obama with anything.

This is the bullshit you try to spew.  No one want to give him the funds because we all knew it was all bullshit rhetoric so he could waste the funds on other stuff.  This is proof that we were right, again.

[Carlos Danger]

2 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

well maybe if the GOP was on board at the time we'd have less infrastructure needs today! I dunno which is funnier actually, you thinking Obama is to blame, or that you expected all roads and bridges to be repaired

 

 

No I think you suffer from "selective accountability" to go along with the standard "fake out rage".

[JEFF]

2 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Good, making government efficient. 

Neal

While i somewhat agree with that statement, I'd have to say in my area anyway going on what i saw it was more wasteful than anything. Repaving roads that didn't need it was the biggest thing here in nh because it is quick way to spend a ton of money. The bridges that needed repairs are still here in need of repair. 

[Sleepr2]

2 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

well maybe if the GOP was on board at the time we'd have less infrastructure needs today! I dunno which is funnier actually, you thinking Obama is to blame, or that you expected all roads and bridges to be repaired

 

 

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THIS IS WHAT OBAMA ACTUALLY DID WITH YOUR MONEY

$4.3 Billion To Build High Speed Rail Between Two Sparsely Populated Rural Towns In California. "Instead, the recommended route doesn't connect those population centers. One end stops in Borden, which was derided in an editorial in the Merced Sun-Star as a 'mythical 'town' that 'Gertrude Stein wouldn't even have acknowledged.' The San Jose Mercury News described the other end of the route, Corcoran, as 'perhaps best known for the state prison where Charles Manson is locked up.' … Federal officials said last month they wanted the $4.3 billion to go toward a project that can be completed and operational by 2017." (Daisy Nguyen, "Critics Pan Proposed High-Speed Rail Segment," The Associated Press, 12/1/10)

$535 Million For Loan Guarantee To Now-Bankrupt Solyndra. (Solyndra, "Solyndra Offered $535 Million Loan Guarantee By The U.S. Department Of Energy," Press Release, 3/20/09; Joe Stephens And Carol Leonnig, "House Republicans Step Up Solyndra Investigation," The Washington Post, 9/1/11; George Avalos, "Fremont Solar Tech Firm Solyndra To Shut Down, Lay Off 1,100 Workers," The San Jose Mercury News, 8/31/11)

$267 Million For Weatherization Program "Fell Short Of Minimal Inspection Requirements And Did Not Stop Shoddy Work." "Once praised as the 'gold standard' for moving quickly to weatherize thousands of homes with $267 million in federal stimulus money, Ohio fell short of minimal inspection requirements and did not stop shoddy work, a government watchdog said yesterday. State Inspector General Randall Meyer faulted Department of Development officials for emphasizing the quantity of projects over quality." (David Eggert and Doug Caruso, "Ohio Failed To Monitor Money To Weatherize Homes," The Columbus Dispatch , 11/30/11)

$128 Million On Bridge Connecting Communities Of Palm City And Stuart Despite The Fact That "There Is Already A Bridge That Connects The Two Communities Less Than Three Miles Away." "The proposed $128 million Indian Street Bridge across the St. Lucie River has been debated in Martin County, Florida, for more than 20 years. But now that it has been cleared to receive money from the federal government's nearly $800 billion economic stimulus effort, the debate may be over. Critics say the span, which will connect the communities of Palm City and Stuart, is wasteful because there is already a bridge that connects the two communities less than three miles away." (Abbie Boudreau and Jessi Joseph, "Stimulus-Funded Florida Bridge Draws Criticism," CNN, 5/4/09)

$121.9 Million For A Wind Farm Finished Before The Stimulus Began. "High above the rolling plains southeast of Lubbock, Texas, the 166-turbine Pyron Wind Farm represents the new wave of American wind farm development. In the heart of the country's 'wind belt,' … the project received $121.9 million in stimulus money. FAA records show the last tower had been built on Dec. 11, 2008." (Russ Choma, "Millions In Grants Went To Wind Farms Built Before Stimulus Passed," MSNBC/Investigative Reporting Workshop , 10/21/10)

$118.5 Million Grant To Ener1, An Energy Storage Company, That Filed For Bankruptcy In January 2012. "An Indiana-based energy-storage company that received a $118.5 million stimulus grant from the Energy Department filed for bankruptcy Thursday. Ener1 is asking a federal bankruptcy court in New York to approve a plan to restructure the company's debt and infuse $81 million in equity funding." (Andrew Restuccia, "Obama-Backed Electric Car Battery-Maker Files For Bankruptcy," The Hill's E2 Wire, 1/26/12)

$107 Million Given To Wind Capital Group, Owned By Obama Donor Tom Carnahan, Brother Of Former Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-MO). "The $107 million in stimulus cash awarded to Tom Carnahan, however, couldn't have come at a worse time for his siblings, both of whom are on the ballot in November. While Tom Carnahan has been in the wind energy business for several years -- he formed St. Louis based Wind Capital Group in 2005 -- the announcement made on Friday by the White House that his wind project in northwest Missouri will receive stimulus cash presents an unwelcome liability for the family's political aspirations. Tom Carnahan's wind project was one of several listed on the reported released by Vice President Joe Biden last week, '100 Recovery Act Projects That Are Changing America.'" (Jake Wagman, "Blowin' In The Wind: GOP Pans Stimulus Cash For Carnahan Sibling," St. Louis Post-Dispatch , 9/20/10)

$99 Million For A Tennessee Weatherization Program In Which 1 In 5 Homes Received Shoddy Work And Many Were Left With Higher Electricity Bills. "Last year Tennessee received more than $99 million in federal stimulus money to weatherize homes across the state. … But, NewsChannel 5 Investigates has found the weatherization program in Nashville isn't working for everyone. D'Andrea Oglesby lives near the fairgrounds. After she had her home weatherized, both her energy usage and her power bills went way up. … But MDHA's own records show inspectors are finding problems 20 percent of the time." (Jennifer Kraus, "Did Millions Of Dollars For Weatherization Program Pay Off?" NewsChannel5.com, 2/28/11)

$61.8 Million For A Wind Farm That Was Finished Before The Stimulus Passed. "In western New York, for example, in the hills near the economically hard-hit cities of Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo, the Canandaigua Wind Farm could have created the sort of green-collar jobs that the Obama administration promised would be generated by the stimulus package. The feathery blades of the farm's 88 gigantic turbines reach more than 400 feet in the air. Each turbine contains 8,000 components and is almost as sophisticated as a jet engine. Hundreds of construction workers were needed to haul and erect the steel towers, each weighing hundreds of tons. The wind farm was built in two phases. The developer, First Wind, received a total of $61.8 million in stimulus grants on Sept. 1, 2009, when the administration began rolling out money for the program. But FAA records indicate both were completed at least 15 months earlier -- by May 20, 2008." (Russ Choma, "Millions In Grants Went To Wind Farms Built Before Stimulus Passed," MSNBC/Investigative Reporting Workshop , 10/21/10)

$59.1 Million For A Wind Project Finished Before The Stimulus Passed. "In the coal country of eastern Pennsylvania, FAA records show, the last turbine on the 51-turbine Locust Ridge II wind farm in Mahanoy City, Pa., was erected on Jan. 1, 2009, the first day a project could be eligible for a stimulus grant. But the other 50 turbines were built in 2008 -- 31 of them before Obama was elected. The farm's developer, Iberdrola Renewables, the subsidiary of a Spanish utility, collected $59.1 million in stimulus money." (Russ Choma, "Millions In Grants Went To Wind Farms Built Before Stimulus Passed," MSNBC/Investigative Reporting Workshop , 10/21/10)

$54 Million In Stimulus Funds To Operators Of Mohegan Sun Casino, Which Grossed $1.3 Billion In 2009. "With the support of Sen. Chris Dodd, D.-Conn., the federal government has awarded $54 million to Connecticut's politically well-connected Mohegan Indian tribe, which operates one of the highest grossing casinos in the U.S. The tribe runs the sprawling Mohegan Sun casino, halfway between New York City and Boston, which earned more than $1.3 billion in gross revenues in 2009." (Coulter King and Marianne De Padua, "Mohegan Sun Casino Owners Received $54 Million In Stimulus Money," ABC News' The Blotter, 6/17/10)

$54 Million To Construct A Napa Valley Wine Train. "But the main action today is in Napa, where, without competitive bidding, this unusual construction company won a $54 million federal contract to build a new railroad bridge and other structures for the famed Napa Valley Wine Train tourist attraction. … But in December, U.S. Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Tom Coburn, R-Okla., issued a report listing the Wine Train among 100 stimulus projects that they derided as 'silly and shortsighted' and a waste of money. The lawmakers also suggested the project wasn't doing much for the economy." (ABC News' "Good Morning America," 2/2/10)

$53 Million To Renovate A Federal Building - When A Brand New Courthouse Cost $38 Million. "Among the many Maine projects approved for federal stimulus funding this year, about $53 million has been set aside for renovations to the Margaret Chase Smith Federal Building on Harlow Street. Although the work is not expected to begin until early 2010, some observers already are wondering aloud why such a high dollar figure is needed for renovations. To put it in perspective, the brand new Penobscot County Courthouse, although slightly smaller in size than the federal building, recently was constructed for about $38 million. Estimates for a new Bangor auditorium and civic center have ranged from $40 million to $60 million." (Eric Russell, "Renovation Raises Cost Questions," Bangor Daily News, 6/3/10)

$43 Million Federal Loan Guarantee To Beacon Power, Which Went Bankrupt In October 2011. (Yuliya Chernova, "Renewable-Energy Firms Facing Financial Hurdles," The Wall Street Journal, 10/27/11; Ben German, "Second Energy Department-Backed Company Goes Bankrupt," The Hill, 10/31/11)

$36 Million For An Airport Terminal That Can't Unload Passengers. "Monroe Regional Airport officials learned Tuesday passenger loading and unloading bridges at the new $36 million terminal are not being able to connect to airplanes. Airport director Cleve Norrell confirmed Tuesday afternoon that some of the loading and unloading bridges at the new terminal appear they will not be able to connect to some of the airplanes. He said airport officials are working to determine what caused the problem, if the issue resulted from a design flaw during the construction process or if it was a result of an error on the city's part." (Scott Rogers, "Missed Connections," Monroe News Star, 10/20/11)

$24 Million To Companies Owned By Kentucky Construction Magnate Indicted For Bribery. "Kentucky construction magnate Leonard Lawson is on trial this week in Lexington federal court for allegedly bribing the state's Transportation secretary during the past decade to win big highway and road projects. But that didn't stop Lawson family companies from winning $24 million dollars in federal Recovery Act contracts. Though Leonard Lawson pled not guilty, companies with ties to Lawson should have been suspended from bidding for stimulus work within 45 days of his indictment on bribery, theft and obstruction of justice charges, according to a Department of Transportation rule. But, it took the Transportation Department 10-months to act -- after the Lawson firms had won the contracts." (Allan Chernoff, "Stimulus 'Fraud Will Occur,'" CNN Money, 1/28/10)

 

[racer254]

Well, that's only 6 billion.  Did the rest go to slush funds for his cronies?

[Angry ginger]

5 hours ago, JEFF said:

Fed fuel tax has been steady since 93. States have not.  

And registrations surely have not. Over a grand to register my truck this year. 

states have not risen with the cost of living and increase in MPG and feds been stuck in quicksand.  Fed should be at least 50% more then indexed to COLA

 

Well if you've got a truck that cost $1000 to register you certainly can afford to pay just like the rich can afford higher tax brackets than they have been given.  I'm a poor white boy my trucks $280, 

[Angry ginger]

5 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

my god the memory of rwws is about as poor as their intellect. back when Obama created a lot infrastructure "shovel ready" jobs, all the rwws could do is cry and moan about the debt. now? they're bitching because there are still needs because obama didn't do enough.

 

 

 

Obama should have spent even more on infrastructure improvements but most should have been on repairing and replacing existing not pushing through pet projects that made little sense but thats not really on obama it's the congressmen who push that.  

[JEFF]

12 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

states have not risen with the cost of living and increase in MPG and feds been stuck in quicksand.  Fed should be at least 50% more then indexed to COLA

 

Well if you've got a truck that cost $1000 to register you certainly can afford to pay just like the rich can afford higher tax brackets than they have been given.  I'm a poor white boy my trucks $280, 

How to destroy the economy 101... lol

Any new decent rig will cost that new. It's not a matter of whether or not "I" can afford the reg...  It's just more money that goes to pet projects around the city while the roads deteriorate. I think the cities and towns have got to be held accountable for their financial ineptness. 

[racer254]

34 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

 

Obama should have spent even more on infrastructure improvements but most should have been on repairing and replacing existing not pushing through pet projects that made little sense but thats not really on obama it's the congressmen who push that.  

In 2009, Portland received $900,000 from President Barack Obama’s "America Recovery and Reinvestment Act" -- the stimulus -- to improve bicycle signage.

http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2011/jan/08/victoria-taft/victoria-taft-says-city-spent-nearly-1-million-red/

[Angry ginger]

32 minutes ago, JEFF said:

How to destroy the economy 101... lol

Any new decent rig will cost that new. It's not a matter of whether or not "I" can afford the reg...  It's just more money that goes to pet projects around the city while the roads deteriorate. I think the cities and towns have got to be held accountable for their financial ineptness. 

i assume that is a 2500 or 3500 to be that much since it's based of weight not the price. 

[JEFF]

2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

i assume that is a 2500 or 3500 to be that much since it's based of weight not the price. 

2500 diesel Denali  yes so 10K GVWR. But my other car is not heavy and still costs a bunch just based off msrp.

[01mxz800]

as someone who is in the road work buisness the only things done to roads and bridges in as many years despite all the talk about all this great funding has been band-aid repairs to look good for the political deviants to brag about, no meaningful repairs what so ever