Usedtoskidoo Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, Skidooski said: Not but it certainly should've helped....but it didn't. Exactly because he was not a leader. A weak excuse of a man only good for the odd flowery speech and good press. A figurehead with nothing to contribute except getting rich at the end of his tenure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Nope but it's an excuse for not breaking the cycle. Easier to blame racism of the past than to improve going forward. People like you do a disservice to the black community with this bullshit. Certainly. To continue on with the "white people class" paradigm will not solve the problem, and is the reason it hasn't been solved already. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Usedtoskidoo said: but that's my point. He was supposed to heal the divide. But in reality the divide was recreated and pushed on us all as a decried narrative and that failed miserably. Now racism is being used as nothing but a weapon. Bush didn't heal it, Obama didn't heal it, Trump isn't healing it. And to be honest if you fell for the "Obama will heal it" mantra you are a gullible sap. Similar to Trump "draining the swamp". Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 19, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lol. Electing a black president isn't going to fix racism. What do you suggest would? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: See here is where your logic is flawed, there are white people who are oppressors, however the class of oppression does not include all white people. Until you can change your paradigm, and understand that the class we are discussing is racism, not white, we can move forward with eliminating methods and instances. Trying to apply an illogical attribute to a class is only working for the problem, not against it. Neal When you look like the oppressor class and do nothing to shed that image and everything to reinforce it, yeah, it's perfectly legit to lump all white people together. 4 minutes ago, Usedtoskidoo said: Exactly because he was not a leader. A weak excuse of a man only good for the odd flowery speech and good press. A figurehead with nothing to contribute except getting rich at the end of his tenure. So just like all the white dudes that came before him? 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Certainly. To continue on with the "white people class" paradigm will not solve the problem, and is the reason it hasn't been solved already. Neal So it's black people's fault. What should black people do to improve race relations? Edited September 19, 2017 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usedtoskidoo Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: So just like all the white dudes that came before him? ( I never mentioned his race? Why would you bring that up?) So it's black people's fault. What should black people do to improve race relations? ( Man up and take control of their destiny. Stop whining and do better in life. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: What do you suggest would? White people need to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, Zambroski said: This omelette is delicious!!!! ...and Moto and those like him refuse to accept what is reality. Was it an egg white omelette? You racisssss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 19, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Both people need to change. Fixed for accuracy again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, s pump said: Was it an egg white omelette? You racisssss I mixed the whites and the yolks pretty well before the pour. I think I'm safe. Just in case, I'll set aside a half hour of my day later to hate myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usedtoskidoo Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, Zambroski said: I mixed the whites and the yolks pretty well before the pour. I think I'm safe. Just in case, I'll set aside a half hour of my day later to hate myself. But you favored the whites didn't you. Beat them a little softer..........................RACIST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: White people need to change. AHhhh....now we are getting somewhere! Although, you and I have been "somewhere" before and I believe it ended with you calling me a "racist". SO....How can "white people change". Be specific and brief. Just one or two things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, Usedtoskidoo said: But you favored the whites didn't you. Beat them a little softer..........................RACIST! Maybe I'll set aside an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Skidooski said: Fixed for accuracy again Lol. If your solution to improving race relations involves black people doing something besides go on living, you fail. Just now, Zambroski said: AHhhh....now we are getting somewhere! Although, you and I have been "somewhere" before and I believe it ended with you calling me a "racist". SO....How can "white people change". Be specific and brief. Just one or two things. How about dismantle all oppressive institutions like police, prison, and banking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Lol. If your solution to improving race relations involves black people doing something besides go on living, you fail. How about dismantle all oppressive institutions like police, prison, and banking? And there it is. You are holding the race cards as a way to recruit for an end of socialism that has proven to never bring itself into the existance you preach. Civilized...hell even uncivilized societies have these institutions. And always will. I find it bizarre you find banking part of the same institution as police and prisons (which are connected also.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted September 19, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted September 19, 2017 @ this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 19, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lol. If your solution to improving race relations involves black people doing something besides go on living, you fail. How about dismantle all oppressive institutions like police, prison, and banking? On the bold - Yes...yes it does!!! And he we go with the Police side of things. Continuously complaining about everything while simultaneously doing nothing about it but posting meme's and hollow words on the interwebs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usedtoskidoo Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, Kivalo said: @ this thread! @ socialism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: And there it is. You are holding the race cards as a way to recruit for an end of socialism that has proven to never bring itself into the existance you preach. Civilized...hell even uncivilized societies have these institutions. And always will. I find it bizarre you find banking part of the same institution as police and prisons (which are connected also.) No, I am demonstrating an intersectional position on class struggle. Your second paragraph demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how the power structure operates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: No, I am demonstrating an intersectional position on class struggle. Your second paragraph demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how the power structure operates. Wrong on both. You aren't going to be able to keep adjusting the narratives to get away from the debate with me. SO, let's go simple(r) and stick with the original question, how can "white people change" to more accomidate blacks (change that to a less offensiver term if you feel triggered)? Let's take your example of "banking". Or, you pick ANY example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Wrong on both. You aren't going to be able to keep adjusting the narratives to get away from the debate with me. SO, let's go simple(r) and stick with the original question, how can "white people change" to more accomidate blacks (change that to a less offensiver term if you feel triggered)? Let's take your example of "banking". Or, you pick ANY example. Nope, class and race struggles are intertwined and inseparable. There will be liberty for all or there is liberty for none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Nope, class and race struggles are intertwined and inseparable. There will be liberty for all or there is liberty for none. Shift and deflect. I like you Moto...we're done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted September 19, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, Zambroski said: Shift and deflect. I like you Moto...we're done here. It's what he does.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Shift and deflect. I like you Moto...we're done here. It's not a deflection at all. You just don't accept my position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, Biggie Smails said: It's what he does.... I know. But he's still fun...and original about it. I can see how low intellect "recruits" might find his viewpoinits "neat-O". Hey, at least he doesn't jump right to calling people "racist". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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