EBEAR Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 I have no interest or parts supply to go through the process of fine tuning clutching . I am quite sure that my 24 RXC has more potential and would like to purchase a good trail oriented flatland kit . Finding a kit seems to be problematic . Speedworx ( coming soon ) and the few others seem to have had kits out long before they had any opportunity to test ( not a fan ) BD seems to only suggest weights when allot of the people with a decent amount of knowledge - experience suggest the helix is wrong for the sled . I understand that there is a limited amount of people and miles put on but does anyone have a decent , tested setup ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 I've seen this discussed elsewhere and Thunder Products apparently is a good source as they've had more time on them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlugsOnSleds Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) The chassis lacks flatland high performance efficiency due to the belt drive...If the best aftermarket clutch kit tuners cant find a viable performance enhancement that should tell you something...Contact some of these companies and ask them point black if they develop their clutch kits with a CHASSIS DYNO, along with seat of the pants field testing...If they tell you that they dont utilize a C.Dyno....Check that company off the list and move on...It's unfortunate that you spent upwards of $20,000.00 on a 600cc sled and your disapointed in its trail performance... Edited October 13 by SlugsOnSleds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, SlugsOnSleds said: The chassis lacks flatland high performance efficiency due to the belt drive...If the best aftermarket clutch kit tuners cant find a viable performance enhancement that should tell you something...Contact some of these companies and ask them point black if they develop their clutch kits with a CHASSIS DYNO, along with seat of the pants field testing...If they tell you that they dont utilize a C.Dyno....Check that company off the list and move on...It's unfortunate that you spent upwards of $20,000.00 on a 600cc sled and your disapointed in its trail performance... At no point did you come close to answering the question being asked. But thanks your useless info about track dynos (lol) and letting us know that anyone looking to improve performance is disappointed with their machine. And that you're poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 (edited) I spoke with Terry from Thunder Products Clutching at Hay Days and was very impressed. They did probably more flatland testing than anyone else. I would recommend giving them a call. Don’t even bother with their web site, calling them is much better. @EBEAR - I agree on your assessment of the other vendors. I have no doubt they will give customers their best effort, but all except TPC have been hurt by lack of snow for testing. Edited October 15 by p51mstg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 In the Werx and coming soon: ZR 600 1.25-1.35" 0-5,000' Clutch Kit 0-5,000' Stock Pipe ECU Flash 5,000'+ Stock Pipe ECU Flash 0-5,000’ Pipe Mod 0-5,000' Stage 2 ECU Flash https://speedwerx.com/snow-performance/arctic-cat/2024-zr-riot-m-600-catalyst.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 4 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: In the Werx and coming soon: ZR 600 1.25-1.35" 0-5,000' Clutch Kit 0-5,000' Stock Pipe ECU Flash 5,000'+ Stock Pipe ECU Flash 0-5,000’ Pipe Mod 0-5,000' Stage 2 ECU Flash https://speedwerx.com/snow-performance/arctic-cat/2024-zr-riot-m-600-catalyst.html You forgot the air box mod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 3 minutes ago, Not greg b said: You forgot the air box mod I just copy/pasted what was on their site... looks like the only clutching they could test and dial in last winter was out west where they had snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 48 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I just copy/pasted what was on their site... looks like the only clutching they could test and dial in last winter was out west where they had snow. Get your hole saw ready. The air box mod is going to be next big thing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBEAR Posted November 5 Author Share Posted November 5 It's still looks to me that for those of us who have no patience ( or skills ) for clutching that a flatland kit is a wait till mid winter and hope for some testing . I have found nothing available other than speedwerx 1.5 - 1.75 track option for flatland and I'm not sure what the difference would be on a 1.3 cobra . I don't mind spending the money for a good kit but not only to find " oops " after more testing this is better . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Frankly, @EBEAR I'd tend to wait as well. I know that there's a ton more fine tuning to be done to clutch the 600 and I'd rather wait for others to buy the various kits from performance shops, then get their feedback before choosing a trail set up of my own. I too am skeptical that anyone got enough trail testing last season to have it truly fine tuned. My EASY temporary Band-Aid fix for the moment to address the over rev issue will be to choose a stickier belt to see if we can pull down the over rev by a couple hundred RPM's. That Band-Aid will carry me thru this season until there's a more definitive way to dial in the 600's trail clutching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) On 11/5/2024 at 8:59 AM, EBEAR said: It's still looks to me that for those of us who have no patience ( or skills ) for clutching that a flatland kit is a wait till mid winter and hope for some testing . I have found nothing available other than speedwerx 1.5 - 1.75 track option for flatland and I'm not sure what the difference would be on a 1.3 cobra . I don't mind spending the money for a good kit but not only to find " oops " after more testing this is better . Call Thunder Products Clutching. Everyone else was stuck at higher elevations last year and needs a good season to get their flatland kits right. But, Thunder Products have a setup that's pretty dialed in - they did a lot of work with the racers last year and are well ahead of the aftermarket. Before you decide to wait, give them a call and actually talk to them in person to see what they can do right now. I don't have a relationship with them and have nothing to gain by recommending them, other than just trying to help you. 906-484-1650 sales@thunderproductsclutching.com Edited November 6 by p51mstg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted Saturday at 05:40 AM Share Posted Saturday at 05:40 AM I talked to Thunder products a couple weeks ago about my procross 600 that has an adapt. They have something in production for the catalyst (that would also help my sled). They said it was a month out then so I'd guess it will be available in a couple weeks from now. They described what they are doing but I'd call and get specifics from them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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