Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 29, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted July 29, 2023 The TLDR version boils down to a few major points, with perhaps the biggest being a 10 percent year-over-year fuel economy improvement in commercial pickup trucks and vans, starting in 2030. Specifically, this applies to vehicles with gross weight ratings over 8,500 pounds but less than 14,001 pounds. Stepping down a notch, the proposal also calls for a 4-percent annual increase on light trucks, starting in 2027. That covers the best-selling vehicles in North America, namely the Ford F-Series, Chevrolet Silverado, GMC Sierra, and Ram 1500 trucks. In the world of passenger cars, a 2-percent yearly increase would also start in 2027. And it all leads to a fleet average of 58 mpg for automakers by 2032. https://www.motor1.com/news/679280/gm-says-tougher-nhtsa-fuel-regs-could-cost-automakers-feds-disagree/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Gonna make EV’s even more pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 This administration is definitely out to kill the ICE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted July 29, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 29, 2023 2 hours ago, spin_dry said: This administration is definitely out to kill the ICE. They are, I suppose destroying diesel pick ups didnt make dems as happy as they thought it would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 The problem I see is how the CAFE standards have forced manufacturers to make smaller displacement, high strung motors. Has a different set of issues for reliability and longevity. Short term gain for long term pain. I should buy an all electric car, but pre op I still have my testicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Voodoo said: The problem I see is how the CAFE standards have forced manufacturers to make smaller displacement, high strung motors. Has a different set of issues for reliability and longevity. Short term gain for long term pain. I should buy an all electric car, but pre op I still have my testicles. I mean, just lease a new vehicle every 2-3 years and no more problems, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: I mean, just lease a new vehicle every 2-3 years and no more problems, right? I put too many miles on to lease, not to mention that is a poor move financially. Some do prefer the never never plan though Edited July 29, 2023 by Voodoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 29, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 29, 2023 They get better economy in that vehicle class it will be better for everybody. Who doesn’t like better fuel economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, BOHICA said: They get better economy in that vehicle class it will be better for everybody. Who doesn’t like better fuel economy. Democrats...ideas so good they have to be mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 29, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Democrats...ideas so good they have to be mandatory. They aren’t mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, BOHICA said: They aren’t mandatory. The new Cafe standard isn't mandatory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 29, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 29, 2023 Just now, SkisNH said: The new Cafe standard isn't mandatory? Nope. If you don’t want to adhere you pay a small fine or can buy credits from manufactures with more efficient vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Nope. If you don’t want to adhere you pay a small fine or can buy credits from manufactures with more efficient vehicles. A small fine? Subsidize your competition? Sounds pretty mandatory. You can get a way with a gas guzzler tax on an exotic. If you were to do that with the f150 it essentially prices the trucks out of the market. Edited July 29, 2023 by SkisNH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, SkisNH said: A small fine? Subsidize your competition? Sounds pretty mandatory. Fascists can never spot fascism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Democrats ideas so good they have to be mandatory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted July 30, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) More fuel efficient full size Trucks would be great. Not sure how that gets done. Was pretty impressed with the Wife's 22' Civic Sport this past weekend. 42 MPG cranking along 75-80 mph with a few times over that If a pickup could do that id be very Happy. Edited July 30, 2023 by EvilBird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 30, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, SkisNH said: A small fine? Subsidize your competition? Sounds pretty mandatory. You can get a way with a gas guzzler tax on an exotic. If you were to do that with the f150 it essentially prices the trucks out of the market. Doesn’t stop a manufacture from selling a vehicle. They can sell 10 mpg vehicles all day everyday if they want. If they aren’t allowed to sell a vehicle then it would be mandatory but they can sell as many low mpg that they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Doesn’t stop a manufacture from selling a vehicle. They can sell 10 mpg vehicles all day everyday if they want. If they aren’t allowed to sell a vehicle then it would be mandatory but they can sell as many low mpg that they want. Ace was 100% correct.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, EvilBird said: More fuel efficient full size Trucks would be great. Not sure how that gets done. Was pretty impressed with the Wife's 22' Civic Sport this past weekend. 42 MPG cranking along 75-80 mph with a few times over that If a pickup could do that id be very Happy. We can make them less safe, less capable and more gay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 I’m all for fuel economy as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of longevity like with the eco boosts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 30, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, ACE said: I’m all for fuel economy as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of longevity like with the eco boosts Compared to the 6.6 gm gasser the ecoboost is a shining star by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted July 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, BOHICA said: They get better economy in that vehicle class it will be better for everybody. Who doesn’t like better fuel economy. Not if it sacrifices reliability. One thing I am seeing is mfg's pushing oil changes way past when they should be done to show a more "green" vehicle and also less cost of ownership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 30, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Not if it sacrifices reliability. One thing I am seeing is mfg's pushing oil changes way past when they should be done to show a more "green" vehicle and also less cost of ownership Most oil analysis typically show oil lasting longer than when the manufacture recommends. Oil changes would be less frequent if people did oil sampling vs recommended. Vehicles have only gotten more reliable with increasing economy figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted July 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Most oil analysis typically show oil lasting longer than when the manufacture recommends. Oil changes would be less frequent if people did oil sampling vs recommended. Vehicles have only gotten more reliable with increasing economy figures. This is a completely false statement across the board. From vehicles, to appliances, to electronics and you know this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Vehicles have only gotten more reliable with increasing economy figures. The reliability isn't because of fuel efficiency....it's because of better manufacturing techniques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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