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Crnr2Crnr Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 hours ago, krom said: Who is there to for AC to even work with?? Is Kirk wrenching for any of the SX racers? As far as starting from scratch and building a program I don't honestly know... thought All Finish would be that team but we know how that turned out. I also don't see Textron throwing a pile of money into it either... that ship has sailed. Wouldn't be the least but surprised to see the Procross return for next season. Last I heard of Kirk... he was eating hot dogs and not giving a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 hours ago, mnstang said: https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/788565303162409/?ref=newsfeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Still works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said: As far as starting from scratch and building a program I don't honestly know... thought All Finish would be that team but we know how that turned out. I also don't see Textron throwing a pile of money into it either... that ship has sailed. Wouldn't be the least but surprised to see the Procross return for next season. Last I heard of Kirk... he was eating hot dogs and not giving a shit. Good for him, he deserves a break 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: As far as starting from scratch and building a program I don't honestly know... thought All Finish would be that team but we know how that turned out. I also don't see Textron throwing a pile of money into it either... that ship has sailed. Wouldn't be the least but surprised to see the Procross return for next season. Last I heard of Kirk... he was eating hot dogs and not giving a shit. He was riding some bucket of bolts mountain mod with Burandt this weekend. Chris even called him Kurt in his post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: As far as starting from scratch and building a program I don't honestly know... thought All Finish would be that team but we know how that turned out. I also don't see Textron throwing a pile of money into it either... that ship has sailed. Wouldn't be the least but surprised to see the Procross return for next season. Last I heard of Kirk... he was eating hot dogs and not giving a shit. They can just close up then. There's no excuse if that happens. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune46x Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 11 hours ago, krom said: Who is there to for AC to even work with?? Is Kirk wrenching for any of the SX racers? Last time Kirk was at a sx race that I'm aware of was at Jackson Hole when Pake and Anson were out of CBR's second trailer because they were both riding Tuckers old Sleds. Hes been working With Garth Kaufman on hill climb stuff. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 57 minutes ago, mnstang said: Still works for me I'd rather have what @fortune46x is kicking around. 51 minutes ago, krom said: Good for him, he deserves a break 10 minutes ago, Palu49 said: He was riding some bucket of bolts mountain mod with Burandt this weekend. Chris even called him Kurt in his post cool... Hopefully he's enjoying whatever it is in life he wants to do 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: They can just close up then. There's no excuse if that happens. as we've discussed, the new chassis (imo) was developed for the trail and mountains first... the race track/course last. then again the same can be said of BRP who turned their trail sled into an absolute weapon on the SX track... plus they have the vast majority of the top tier racers. I also don't see Polaris coming out with anything new soon either, so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I'd rather have what @fortune46x is kicking around. cool... Hopefully he's enjoying whatever it is in life he wants to do as we've discussed, the new chassis (imo) was developed for the trail and mountains first... the race track/course last. then again the same can be said of BRP who turned their trail sled into an absolute weapon on the SX track... plus they have the vast majority of the top tier racers. I also don't see Polaris coming out with anything new soon either, so there's that. It seems pretty obvious at this point that adapting the Caty for the SX riggers is proving to be quite a task. Or it's gonna be a sneak attack! Either way, if it rolls out on the track next year, I want one. If it doesn't, we'll see but I don't wanna be the one to have to work on Doo's my whole life. They are built for barbie handed mechanics. That ain't me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I'd rather have what @fortune46x is kicking around. cool... Hopefully he's enjoying whatever it is in life he wants to do as we've discussed, the new chassis (imo) was developed for the trail and mountains first... the race track/course last. then again the same can be said of BRP who turned their trail sled into an absolute weapon on the SX track... plus they have the vast majority of the top tier racers. I also don't see Polaris coming out with anything new soon either, so there's that. Catalyst was designed first for the mountains and adapted to the other segments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune46x Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: It seems pretty obvious at this point that adapting the Caty for the SX riggers is proving to be quite a task. Or it's gonna be a sneak attack! Either way, if it rolls out on the track next year, I want one. If it doesn't, we'll see but I don't wanna be the one to have to work on Doo's my whole life. They are built for barbie handed mechanics. That ain't me. Stop hitting culverts and you'll be golden lol They did test the catalyst race sled last year in fargo - but I haven't heard anything as far as if its coming in 25 or what. I know it couldnt due to isr rules in 24. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, fortune46x said: Stop hitting culverts and you'll be golden lol They did test the catalyst race sled last year in fargo - but I haven't heard anything as far as if its coming in 25 or what. I know it couldnt due to isr rules in 24. I don't hit culverts. I hit CULVER'S. I'm not doing anything halfway! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Zambroski said: It seems pretty obvious at this point that adapting the Caty for the SX riggers is proving to be quite a task. Or it's gonna be a sneak attack! Either way, if it rolls out on the track next year, I want one. If it doesn't, we'll see but I don't wanna be the one to have to work on Doo's my whole life. They are built for barbie handed mechanics. That ain't me. I believe All Finish tested one/some shortly before pulling the rip cord... but am not certain of the details. Another thing to consider is that the race mill and the consumer mill are pretty much different engines and 125hp isn't going to cut the mustard when P&D are making significantly more HP. edit: see Soo i500 and Eagle River FIII sleds which were competitive of course this is all opinion, subject to alternative facts. 7 minutes ago, mnstang said: Catalyst was designed first for the mountains and adapted to the other segments I wouldn't debate that statement for a moment. the $ is in selling product and hopefully they throw some back at the race department eventually. works for BRP Edited February 13 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I believe All Finish tested one/some shortly before pulling the rip cord... but am not certain of the details. Another thing to consider is that the race mill and the consumer mill are pretty much different engines and 125hp isn't going to cut the mustard when P&D are making significantly more HP. edit: see Soo i500 and Eagle River FIII sleds which were competitive of course this is all opinion, subject to alternative facts. I wouldn't debate that statement for a moment. the $ is in selling product and hopefully they throw some back at the race department eventually. works for BRP I'd fully expect the SX catalyst to have a race engine. To show up with a consumer mil would be idiotic. Honestly, IDFK what to expect from it anymore. Rumors are being spread from everywhere in every direction. And really, they have since Textron took the reigns. I don't bother asking about it any longer. I've just decided to stay in a constant state of "We'll see". That way, I avoid further disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 21 minutes ago, Zambroski said: I'd fully expect the SX catalyst to have a race engine. To show up with a consumer mil would be idiotic. Honestly, IDFK what to expect from it anymore. Rumors are being spread from everywhere in every direction. And really, they have since Textron took the reigns. I don't bother asking about it any longer. I've just decided to stay in a constant state of "We'll see". That way, I avoid further disappointment. to my knowledge all the catalyst that were raced or attempted to race this year were production based mills with twin pipes and ??? @fortune46x knows the finite details of the 'race' modors in comparison to production based sleds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: to my knowledge all the catalyst that were raced or attempted to race this year were production based mills with twin pipes and ??? @fortune46x knows the finite details of the 'race' modors in comparison to production based sleds. Seems individual teams and Indie racers did most of that heavy lifting on their own. Some success in XC it seems. I think the platform is good but like all first year platforms, it’s gonna need some tweaking here and there. The question is, will they get it from the OEM? I’m hearing they will but….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Seems individual teams and Indie racers did most of that heavy lifting on their own. Some success in XC it seems. I think the platform is good but like all first year platforms, it’s gonna need some tweaking here and there. The question is, will they get it from the OEM? I’m hearing they will but….. right... the 'race' sleigh is currently still the Procross and until the race department offers a new 'race' sleigh there's not much to discuss. if they have a 150hp-ish race mill to shove in there and bring it out, then the teams could concern themselves with the remainder. are they doing this for the 24/25 race season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Catalyst mods were being built in TRF at the race department from what I heard. Herf said that in one of his videos where he was out testing and his mechanics were up in TRF building mod sleds. Benham has been helping develop the new SX sled. Wonder if they will use the new 600 platform with the 800 bottom end? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: I don't wanna be the one to have to work on Doo's my whole life. They are built for barbie handed mechanics. That ain't me. No barbie hands here either. Now I have all sorts of "special tools". At least your sled doesn't have the second clutch fixed to the jack shaft... Some day I'll tell you all about my 3 hour experience replacing spark plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: right... the 'race' sleigh is currently still the Procross and until the race department offers a new 'race' sleigh there's not much to discuss. if they have a 150hp-ish race mill to shove in there and bring it out, then the teams could concern themselves with the remainder. are they doing this for the 24/25 race season? There’s many problems to deal with for Cat now and it started with them bailing on all racing a few years back. I guess they’d figure quality racers would line up at the door when they announced their “triumphant” return? Holy fuck. I remain hopeful as hell though. Just something about how Cat feels…it’s racey! Lol 8 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: Catalyst mods were being built in TRF at the race department from what I heard. Herf said that in one of his videos where he was out testing and his mechanics were up in TRF building mod sleds. Benham has been helping develop the new SX sled. Wonder if they will use the new 600 platform with the 800 bottom end? Like I said, “We’ll see”. But I am excited as hell to see them roll it out. NEXT YEAR! How you been, TG? 5 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: No barbie hands here either. Now I have all sorts of "special tools". At least your sled doesn't have the second clutch fixed to the jack shaft... Some day I'll tell you all about my 3 hour experience replacing spark plugs. My 2012 XRS was the last year I had the secondary fixed to the JS. What idiocy. Complete and total. Not sure if Doo is still doing that in their consumer sleds? We’ll swap stories, I broke a coolant line trying to index widget my shit in that mess. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 23 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: Benham has been helping develop the new SX sled. Wonder if they will use the new 600 platform with the 800 bottom end? idk, but it's good to hear they're trying something what they're not doing currently is helping put racers on the box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 59 minutes ago, Zambroski said: How you been, TG? Been good, traveling a lot lately while I wait for snow. Bought a Sportsman 850 last fall, Todd bought a 1000, so got out on those a few times last fall. Complete lunacy after coming off 400-500 cc singles to big bore twins. Watched snox from the beach in Florida. Maybe head up there for the Duluth races? Should be shorts, t-shirt, and croc weather. Went to the boat show in January. People are still buying but inventory is stacking up. Prices are nuts but they say inflation is transitory so don't worry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, teamgreen02 said: Been good, traveling a lot lately while I wait for snow. Bought a Sportsman 850 last fall, Todd bought a 1000, so got out on those a few times last fall. Complete lunacy after coming off 400-500 cc singles to big bore twins. Watched snox from the beach in Florida. Maybe head up there for the Duluth races? Should be shorts, t-shirt, and croc weather. Went to the boat show in January. People are still buying but inventory is stacking up. Prices are nuts but they say inflation is transitory so don't worry. I’ve been getting the occasional update on your four wheelin’ hyjinx! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 20 hours ago, Zambroski said: My 2012 XRS was the last year I had the secondary fixed to the JS. What idiocy. Complete and total. Not sure if Doo is still doing that in their consumer sleds? Sure are, but it’s super convenient because they still use the plastic secondary rollers. So you have to have all the special tools or drop your sled off to a shop within your first 3 rides when they explode so you can put the fiber ones in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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