Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 19, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Even though supercharging makes up a very small portion of charging. Many figured the grid would have collapsed by now with the additional load… it’s almost like the grid is growing with the need or something https://insideevs.com/news/672596/tesla-supercharging-network-2000-stations-north-america/ According to the manufacturer, the North American part of the Supercharging network, which is compatible with the NACS charging connector, is dispensing enough energy monthly for up to 500 million miles of driving. We are then talking about a level of 120-160 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of energy per month, depending on the average energy usage and whether we include charging losses or not. Edited June 19, 2023 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted June 19, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 19, 2023 Take up knitting or Bingo dude 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, Skidooski said: Take up knitting or Bingo dude Some time at the shooting range perhaps. Would end his misery. Can trade some of your eV green credits for one of these. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 19, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Even though supercharging makes up a very small portion of charging. Many figured the grid would have collapsed by now with the additional load… it’s almost like the grid is growing with the need or something https://insideevs.com/news/672596/tesla-supercharging-network-2000-stations-north-america/ According to the manufacturer, the North American part of the Supercharging network, which is compatible with the NACS charging connector, is dispensing enough energy monthly for up to 500 million miles of driving. We are then talking about a level of 120-160 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of energy per month, depending on the average energy usage and whether we include charging losses or not. Because every Tesla charging station I see is usually virtually empty. Just like the ones in your link. Hard to stress the grid when they aren't getting used. Edited June 19, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 19, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 19, 2023 Just now, Highmark said: Because every Tesla charging station I see is usually virtually empty. Just like the ones in your link. “We are then talking about a level of 120-160 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of energy per month” pretty substantial amount running through superchargers a month…. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 19, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, BOHICA said: “We are then talking about a level of 120-160 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of energy per month” pretty substantial amount running through superchargers a month…. No? Dude there are over 1.3 million Tesla's on the road in the US. 500 million / 1.35 million is about 370 miles/month on average each. Its not that much. Edited June 19, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag6240 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, Highmark said: Dude there are over 1.3 million Tesla's on the road in the US. 500 million / 1.35 million is about 370 miles/month on average each. Its not that much. That's pretty good if you think about it. I mean, that's the target market! Short quick trips... That's not even 20 miles per day, only driving 20 days a month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 19, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, Highmark said: Dude there are over 1.3 million Tesla's on the road in the US. 500 million / 1.35 million is about 370 miles/month on average each. Its not that much. Yep and that is typically a very small part of charging for most EV owners. Most are charged at home and super chargers are just used for long trips in most cases. Many teslas likely haven’t ever used a supercharger if they are just local commuters. what every is used on superchargers in electricity the home use is substantially more and the grid is handling all the EV’s just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 19, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Dude there are over 1.3 million Tesla's on the road in the US. 500 million / 1.35 million is about 370 miles/month on average each. It’s not that much. Around 80% of charging is done at home and less then 20% done at DC fast chargers. So that 370 miles a month is only 1/5 of the monthly mile total. According to the U.S. Department of Energy, 80 percent of EV charging happens at home https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/ev-charging/5-charts-that-shed-new-light-on-how-people-charge-evs-at-home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a44221580/tesla-has-barely-made-any-semi-trucks-recall-filing-shows/ I don't hate Musk or Tesla, but the Teslarati are similar to f'ng magatards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 My buddy owns a kia dealership, told me today that they sold a lightning last month, this month they are paying 8grand to replace the battery, 130k,s on the clock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 hours ago, BOHICA said: Around 80% of charging is done at home and less then 20% done at DC fast chargers. So that 370 miles a month is only 1/5 of the monthly mile total. According to the U.S. Department of Energy, 80 percent of EV charging happens at home https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/ev-charging/5-charts-that-shed-new-light-on-how-people-charge-evs-at-home So you're say massive amounts of electricity for only 20% of the miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted June 20, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 hours ago, toslow said: My buddy owns a kia dealership, told me today that they sold a lightning last month, this month they are paying 8grand to replace the battery, 130k,s on the clock Story don’t make sense for starters ford has a warranty on the battery 8yr 100k miles he shouldn’t be paying anything. Second 8k is no where close to the cost of the battery. The lightning battery list for 34k dollars just the part no labor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 20, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Highmark said: So you're say massive amounts of electricity for only 20% of the miles. 500,000,000 miles a month is what the super chargers are dispensing. 80% of charging doesn’t happen at super chargers. Edited June 20, 2023 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 hours ago, BOHICA said: Around 80% of charging is done at home and less then 20% done at DC fast chargers. So that 370 miles a month is only 1/5 of the monthly mile total. According to the U.S. Department of Energy, 80 percent of EV charging happens at home https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/ev-charging/5-charts-that-shed-new-light-on-how-people-charge-evs-at-home Someone just got owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, BOHICA said: 500,000,000 miles a month is what the super chargers are dispensing. 80% of charging doesn’t happen at super chargers. 6 hours ago, spin_dry said: Someone just got owned. Yeah he's bragging about how much electricity the grid is handling then backtracks when its such a small % of the miles. Its rather a lot of electricity for little output or not. Can't have it both ways. Edited June 20, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 9 hours ago, 800renegaderider said: Story don’t make sense for starters ford has a warranty on the battery 8yr 100k miles he shouldn’t be paying anything. Second 8k is no where close to the cost of the battery. The lightning battery list for 34k dollars just the part no labor. 130k so out of warranty, as far as cost I don’t know if he went aftermarket or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 20, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yeah he's bragging about how much electricity the grid is handling then backtracks when its such a small % of the miles. Its rather a lot of electricity for little output or not. Can't have it both ways. Grid handles the charging at super chargers and all the home charging just fine. No issues as it appears the grid is growing to meet these demands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 20, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, toslow said: 130k so out of warranty, as far as cost I don’t know if he went aftermarket or not 130k is a lot of miles for a 1 year old vehicle…. Do even over the road truck drivers get that much mileage in a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Grid handles the charging at super chargers and all the home charging just fine. No issues as it appears the grid is growing to meet these demands Is 120-160 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of energy per month a lot of energy for 100M miles? Somethings not adding up with your 20% claim. 1.6 gwh is 1.6 billion watts/hours. 1.6 billion / 100m miles is 16 watt/hrs per mile. .32kwh is 320 wh's. About 1% of the cars on us roads are electric. 1%. How many other brands use these charging stations? Still think an all renewable grid can handle the goals the left has put out? Average energy consumption per kilometer Given an EV’s average energy consumption of 0.20 kilowatt-hour (kWh) per kilometer or 0.32 kWh per mile, we can look at the average energy required to cover the daily commute of Americans and Europeans. How Much Power is 1 Gigawatt? 3.125 Million Photovoltaic (PV) Panels Edited June 20, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, BOHICA said: 130k is a lot of miles for a 1 year old vehicle…. Do even over the road truck drivers get that much mileage in a year? But 70 isn’t, might be the first yr model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 20, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just now, toslow said: But 70 isn’t, might be the first yr model You said it has 130k on it…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BOHICA said: You said it has 130k on it…. It did, might be a two year old truck, 2021 model. In canada the truck only has 3yr 60thou warranty my buddy sold it used from a kia dealership Edited June 20, 2023 by toslow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 20, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, toslow said: It did, might be a two year old truck, 2021 model. In canada the truck only has 3yr 60thou warranty my buddy sold it used from a kia dealership High voltage battery in a lightning has 8 yr 160,000 km warranty in Canada…. the 12 volt battery has a 3 yr 60k warranty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, BOHICA said: High voltage battery in a lightning has 8 yr 160,000 km warranty in Canada…. the 12 volt battery has a 3 yr 60k warranty Maybe it has a 160 on it and i heard him wrong, anyway he said it was costing 8grand for the battery to be replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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