Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 How much training would a teacher require for you to approve of their carrying? If you don't approve, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) It seems to work, and only a few would have to carry. Edited June 18, 2022 by Badger** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 More guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: More guns Remember just last night you complained about throwing threads off the rails? Why can't you state your position on the OP and argue it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Just now, Snake said: Remember just last night you complained about throwing threads off the rails? Why can't you state your position on the OP and argue it? Off rails? Lmfao….seriously? I posted more guns. Get over yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: Off rails? Lmfao….seriously? I posted more guns. Get over yourself How much training? That is the question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 The woke teachers today are not mentally capable. The ones we grew up with no problem. What happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Do you think a healthy teenage male could over power most teachers and possibly take their firearm? I think so. What if said teacher is careless one time leaving a firearm accessible to a student? And what other possible accidents could happen with having people who trained to be educators are now forced to be armed security guards? Arming teachers is a dumb idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: The woke teachers today are not mentally capable. The ones we grew up with no problem. What happened? No one is asking anyone who doesn't want to to do it. I guess the point I am trying to make is, as a former firearms/military weapons instructor, I could take a 95 pound 18 year old girl, and make her a safe, accurate user of firearms from the 9MM up to a fucking .50 cal. Did it with 40ish aged trainees as well. Firearms and training go hand in hand. Want to carry in school as a teacher? Be ready to accept more training than is required to get a drivers' permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Do you think a healthy teenage male could over power most teachers and possibly take their firearm? I think so. What if said teacher is careless one time leaving a firearm accessible to a student? And what other possible accidents could happen with having people who trained to be educators are now forced to be armed security guards? Arming teachers is a dumb idea Most plans I see involve the weapon being in a secure location, available to the teacher when necessary. Finger print gun safe comes to mind. As I said, no one is asking a person to carry that don't have the desire to do so. I raised 3 (4) kids and not a one to this day can get in the gun safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 Carrying (access) is a responsibility. Most lame ass teachers wouldn't shoulder that, and I find that fine... don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Snake said: Most plans I see involve the weapon being in a secure location, available to the teacher when necessary. Finger print gun safe comes to mind. As I said, no one is asking a person to carry that don't have the desire to do so. I raised 3 (4) kids and not a one to this day can get in the gun safe. My wife is a substitute teacher at our high school and from what I have learned about teachers in the last 5 years I wouldn't trust them with that job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 I think arming teachers is just a terrible idea. I can think of maybe one or two teachers my entire school career that were fit to act in an active shooter scenario. Trained police cower in fear and hide in dumpsters when shit pops off. Little old school teachers having a pistol isn’t the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 Just now, Anler said: My wife is a substitute teacher at our high school and from what I have learned about teachers in the last 5 years I wouldn't trust them with that job. I literally live next door to a teacher/administrator and I would literally purchase the weapon for him. No one is asking for a platoon of teachers with ARs locked up in the office. 1 or 2 that can react in under 2 or 3 minutes of a situation, when the cops are minutes away, can make all the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 Just now, f7ben said: I think arming teachers is just a terrible idea. I can think of maybe one or two teachers my entire school career that were fit to act in an active shooter scenario. Trained police cower in fear and hide in dumpsters when shit pops off. Little old school teachers having a pistol isn’t the answer. Just now, Snake said: I literally live next door to a teacher/administrator and I would literally purchase the weapon for him. No one is asking for a platoon of teachers with ARs locked up in the office. 1 or 2 that can react in under 2 or 3 minutes of a situation, when the cops are minutes away, can make all the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted June 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: I think arming teachers is just a terrible idea. I can think of maybe one or two teachers my entire school career that were fit to act in an active shooter scenario. Trained police cower in fear and hide in dumpsters when shit pops off. Little old school teachers having a pistol isn’t the answer. I'd have to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Just now, Snake said: I literally live next door to a teacher/administrator and I would literally purchase the weapon for him. No one is asking for a platoon of teachers with ARs locked up in the office. 1 or 2 that can react in under 2 or 3 minutes of a situation, when the cops are minutes away, can make all the difference. Perhaps administrators but I still think professional security is best. As I've said Chicago has been doing it forever. It works and it's not a new concept, just new to the non urban schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Snake said: I get it and I’m not opposed to that potentially being part of a multi pronged approach if indeed a school has someone capable. I just think legitimately securing entry and exit points is probably a better focus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Perhaps administrators but I still think professional security is best. As I've said Chicago has been doing it forever. It works and it's not a new concept, just new to the non urban schools 1 minute ago, f7ben said: I get it and I’m not opposed to that potentially being part of a multi pronged approach if indeed a school has someone capable. I just think legitimately securing entry and exit points is probably a better focus Given my rathers, I would agree with that 10 times myself. Problem is, schools are being denied (or in the process of being) denied that option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Snake said: Given my rathers, I would agree with that 10 times myself. Problem is, schools are being denied (or in the process of being) denied that option. At my kids school which is where I graduated from I’d be hard pressed to enter the school during the school day. Doors are all locked from the outside. You have to be buzzed in from the main entrance. The admin office is right there and the office people can clearly see the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat45 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 I think it should be available to teachers if wanted with a high level of training. Lot's of teachers have been in the military and would be good candidates. Securing the schools is a better approach imo though, maybe a combination of better security, and select armed teachers. Private security could work, but I'd be worried about getting some wanna be that will run at the 1st sign of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: At my kids school which is where I graduated from I’d be hard pressed to enter the school during the school day. Doors are all locked from the outside. You have to be buzzed in from the main entrance. The admin office is right there and the office people can clearly see the door. That should be how it is everywhere, after the new town shooting here in Connecticut, it is almost impossible to get into a school without an ID and being buzzed in.Q Edited June 18, 2022 by DriftBusta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: At my kids school which is where I graduated from I’d be hard pressed to enter the school during the school day. Doors are all locked from the outside. You have to be buzzed in from the main entrance. The admin office is right there and the office people can clearly see the door. The school on my former route was exactly the same. Problem is, the buzzer from the secretary was right next to the door on the inside, with a row of 4 windows where you could look in and shoot, throw a simple rock, and gain access in 20 seconds or less. What good is a locked door when there is 1/16 inch of glass 3 feet to your right? Edited June 18, 2022 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Snake said: The school on my former route was exactly the same. Problem is, the buzzer from the secretary was right next to the door on the inside, with a row of 4 windows where you could look in and shoot, throw a simple rock, and gain access in 20 seconds or less. What good is a locked door when there is 1/16 inch of glass 3 feet to your right? Well that’s pretty simple to rectify. Would take all of a week and 100k to reinforce the glass to the point of slowing someone down significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted June 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 18, 2022 51 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: The woke teachers today are not mentally capable. The ones we grew up with no problem. What happened? Well Ive dated 2 teachers, one of them I am currently. both have/had cc permits. It's odd that some of you guys think because your a teacher you all think and feel the same way about everything. Assigning a position to a massive group of people based on their job is just strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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