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Now Russia has stated if the west bans their oil they will halt gas exports to Europe. 
 

If that shit occurs Europe will be in the dark. They have no way to account for losing Russian energy imports.

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We should be expanding drilling at home along with developing our alternative energy.  Just think about how much bullshit we've been involved in because of overseas oil. What if we didn't have to

Interesting perspective! LOL

I admire your optimism.  

Just now, f7ben said:

Now Russia has stated if the west bans their oil they will halt gas exports to Europe. 
 

If that shit occurs Europe will be in the dark. They have no way to account for losing Russian energy imports.

America could be supplying Europe with all its energy needs if we'd just start pumping. 

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13 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Now Russia has stated if the west bans their oil they will halt gas exports to Europe. 
 

If that shit occurs Europe will be in the dark. They have no way to account for losing Russian energy imports.

Putin is a mad man!

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16 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Now Russia has stated if the west bans their oil they will halt gas exports to Europe. 
 

If that shit occurs Europe will be in the dark. They have no way to account for losing Russian energy imports.

I posted about this in another thread…Senator Chris Coon seems to think this is worth it…need to stand up for Democracy and Ukraine even if our energy costs here double.

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2 minutes ago, SSFB said:

We should be expanding drilling at home along with developing our alternative energy. 

Just think about how much bullshit we've been involved in because of overseas oil. What if we didn't have to give a fuck about the Saudis or the Ruskis?

I think everybody knows this. 

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3 minutes ago, Anler said:

I think everybody knows this. 

I admire your optimism. :lol:

 

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4 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Apparently not everyone.

Domestic oil production under Biden will be higher than under Trump. Now what? 

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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/30/us-oil-production-to-increase-further-in-2022-oil-expert-dan-yergin.html

From the article….

Yergin also predicted oil prices will stay in the $65 to $85 per barrel range and that $100 oil is unlikely "unless some big geopolitical turmoil happens."

 

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We could be like NK and close ourselves off from the world.

Our oil is sold to the highest bidder….end of story.

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My guess is with all the sabre rattling, "escalate to descalate" or more accurately "escalate to win", this is Russian war doctrine playing out and there will be some "heady" UN negotiations and perhaps a settlement in the future.  There is more than one finger on the nukes, I can't believe that this many Russians want any part of a nuclear war.

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1 minute ago, DriftBusta said:

My guess is with all the sabre rattling, "escalate to descalate" or more accurately "escalate to win", this is Russian war doctrine playing out and there will be some "heady" UN negotiations and perhaps a settlement in the future.  There is more than one finger on the nukes, I can't believe that this many Russians want any part of a nuclear war.

I can’t believe this many American and NATO member civilians want it either. 

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I can’t believe this many American and NATO member civilians want it either. 

So what do we gain by dumping Russian Oil other than some feel good bullshit and higher gas prices? 🤷🏻

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1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

So what do we gain by dumping Russian Oil other than some feel good bullshit and higher gas prices? 🤷🏻

Not a thing....it’s just more provocation which is all we and nato have done to Russia for a long time 

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3 minutes ago, f7ben said:

I can’t believe this many American and NATO member civilians want it either. 

oh fuck no.  I'm wondering if I need to start stocking up on can goods.  

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3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

oh fuck no.  I'm wondering if I need to start stocking up on can goods.  

I’m not gonna do anything....if all my shit becomes worthless the bank can have it back and I’ll file Bk. If the supermarket shelves are bare I’ll eat my neighbors with a smile on my face

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1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

:dunno:  14 years ago.  Ukraine wanted to be in NATO, and Bush wanted to let them in.  Given NATO is a defense pact, and given that the Soviet Union had just broken up, we could easily argue that it was for the good of the world.  14 years later obviously Russia disagrees.  They used all the oil revenues to build up their military and enrich a handful of oligarchs.   And they're the ones invading another country right now and killing innocents.  So here we are.

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:dunno:  14 years ago.  Ukraine wanted to be in NATO, and Bush wanted to let them in.  Given NATO is a defense pact, and given that the Soviet Union had just broken up, we could easily argue that it was for the good of the world.  14 years later obviously Russia disagrees.  They used all the oil revenues to build up their military and enrich a handful of oligarchs.   And they're the ones invading another country right now and killing innocents.  So here we are.

When was the last time Russia attacked a country that wasn’t part of the Soviet Union? 

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1 minute ago, DriftBusta said:

:dunno:  14 years ago.  Ukraine wanted to be in NATO, and Bush wanted to let them in.  Given NATO is a defense pact, and given that the Soviet Union had just broken up, we could easily argue that it was for the good of the world.  14 years later obviously Russia disagrees.  They used all the oil revenues to build up their military and enrich a handful of oligarchs.   And they're the ones invading another country right now and killing innocents.  So here we are.

Just pointing out that NATO issue is not new and who are we to dictate what they do with their oil revenue?  If we are so concerned why do we ignore the bad deeds of The Saudis? 🤷🏻

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