Over 2000 daily covid deaths.

[Rigid1]

3 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

It’s simply awesome when a group of people remain married to a belief system in the face of death. The power of a group is astonishing. 

Some people aren't scared of death and some people are..

[Bontz]

10 hours ago, SShooterZ said:

Pre-Covid, citizens could request ballots 6 months prior to election. New law, 78 days.

Pre-Covid, counties could send out ballots 49 days before election. New law, 29 days before.

Pre-Covid, county and state could send ballots to all registered voters. New law, can only send to those that request them.

Pre-Covid, ID confirmed by signature on mail in ballots. New law, must provide a SS#, DL# or other ID.

Pre-Covid, no limit on county drop boxes. New law, 1 drop box per early voting site or 100,000 citizens, whichever is smaller. They also cannot be spread throughout the county, they can only be placed at county election office or at an early-voting precinct location. 
 

There’s more, but the point is they go farther than the Pre Covid laws did.

And what do you see, in your list of changes, as being a bad thing?  All of that is 100% legit.

10 hours ago, Ez ryder said:

Not 1 looked even remotely unreasonable to me . Not 1

Exactly ... none of it equates to voter disenfranchisement.

[racer254]

15 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

Her arms are bigger than racer's. 

Rent free fellas.  People like spin hate being pegged for the actual person they are, especially when someone like me calls them out.  LOL

[SShooterZ]

12 hours ago, Ez ryder said:

You mean they went back to pre covid temporary  emergency  laws put in place because of the massive amount of fear pushing for just that reason 

 

I've shown that this statement is incorrect.

10 hours ago, Ez ryder said:

Not 1 looked even remotely unreasonable to me . Not 1

Too bad GA doesn't have great snowmobiling or it would be a great place for you to reside.

22 minutes ago, Bontz said:

And what do you see, in your list of changes, as being a bad thing?  All of that is 100% legit.

Exactly ... none of it equates to voter disenfranchisement.

And you know this how? You've lived in GA and know how it operates and how it will affect voters before it is even in action?

[Bontz]

2 minutes ago, SShooterZ said:

And you know this how? You've lived in GA and know how it operates and how it will affect voters before it is even in action?

What do you see in those changes, that aren't legitimate?

[Crnr2Crnr]

13 hours ago, jtssrx said:

 Hate to tell Most people dying are vaccinated 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

IDK where some of you get your information from... can you show us?

[SShooterZ]

20 minutes ago, Bontz said:

What do you see in those changes, that aren't legitimate?

I see a desperate party afraid to lose it's state's traditional leaning and thus is trying to "Stop the Steal" when no steal was present.

Literally every one of those things makes it more difficult to vote. Why should we restrict access to voting and not make it more accessible to every US citizen eligible to vote? The only way you can justify more restrictions is if you believe there is widespread voter fraud, which has been proven over and over that there's not, and you're trying to reduce it. What's funny, is that this could completely backfire on the R party. We'll have to see what happens when the Midterms come but considering voting is the very core of our nation and what our nation stands for, no, I don't see it being legitimate, especially when one of the new laws is "A ban on handing out food and water within 150 feet of a polling place, or within 25 feet of any voter." What exactly does that accomplish?

Don't you find it ironic that these laws were put in place in a state that has voted R every 4 years since 1996 and there was no concern, and then boom, they vote D for the first time in 2 decades and it's "We need more voting laws!". 

[racer254]

3 minutes ago, SShooterZ said:

I see a desperate party afraid to lose it's state's traditional leaning and thus is trying to "Stop the Steal" when no steal was present.

Literally every one of those things makes it more difficult to vote. Why should we restrict access to voting and not make it more accessible to every US citizen eligible to vote? The only way you can justify more restrictions is if you believe there is widespread voter fraud, which has been proven over and over that there's not, and you're trying to reduce it. What's funny, is that this could completely backfire on the R party. We'll have to see what happens when the Midterms come but considering voting is the very core of our nation and what our nation stands for, no, I don't see it being legitimate, especially when one of the new laws is "A ban on handing out food and water within 150 feet of a polling place, or within 25 feet of any voter." What exactly does that accomplish?

Don't you find it ironic that these laws were put in place in a state that has voted R every 4 years since 1996 and there was no concern, and then boom, they vote D for the first time in 2 decades and it's "We need more voting laws!". 

Yes, I believe there was election fraud, but it didn't take much to swing this election.  20,000 votes in Wisconsin changed who got the electoral votes.  It was like that in many states.

And I want election integrity and I don't care if it backfires on a specific party.  Party affiliation should have nothing to do with making our elections more secure.

Edited September 17, 2021 by racer254

[akvanden]

3 minutes ago, SShooterZ said:

I see a desperate party afraid to lose it's state's traditional leaning and thus is trying to "Stop the Steal" when no steal was present.

 

But the Arizona audit found/proved... 

[Bontz]

1 minute ago, SShooterZ said:

I see a desperate party afraid to lose it's state's traditional leaning and thus is trying to "Stop the Steal" when no steal was present.

Literally every one of those things makes it more difficult to vote. Why should we restrict access to voting and not make it more accessible to every US citizen eligible to vote? The only way you can justify more restrictions is if you believe there is widespread voter fraud, which has been proven over and over that there's not, and you're trying to reduce it. What's funny, is that this could completely backfire on the R party. We'll have to see what happens when the Midterms come but considering voting is the very core of our nation and what our nation stands for, no, I don't see it being legitimate, especially when one of the new laws is "A ban on handing out food and water within 150 feet of a polling place, or within 25 feet of any voter." What exactly does that accomplish?

Don't you find it ironic that these laws were put in place in a state that has voted R every 4 years since 1996 and there was no concern, and then boom, they vote D for the first time in 2 decades and it's "We need more voting laws!". 

Funny how people can see things so differently.  Personally, I think it's funny you don't see the irony that they voted D in the first place.  You're telling me, as I go through the bullet points you listed, these are bad things?

1.  Having 78 days (vs. 6 months) isn't enough time to request a ballot if you're not planning to vote in person?

2.  Counties sending out ballots a month in advance isn't fair?  If anything, it provides voters a chance to get even more information on the candidates prior to casting their vote.

3.  Sending ballots to only those who request them is how this should have been in the first place.  I choose to either go to the booth or not, why should the integrity of the election be in question when ballots get sent out to everyone (including dead people)?  You wanna vote - show up or ASK for a ballot.  It's that simple.

4. Voter ID is a bad thing?  I just don't get that people can argue this as a bad thing.

5.  Finding your way to drop off a ballot vs. mailing it in ... what's the real problem with that?  Again, if a person wants to vote they have a specified location to go to - really isn't that difficult of a concept to grasp.

 
 

[Ez ryder]

11 minutes ago, SShooterZ said:

I see a desperate party afraid to lose it's state's traditional leaning and thus is trying to "Stop the Steal" when no steal was present.

Literally every one of those things makes it more difficult to vote. Why should we restrict access to voting and not make it more accessible to every US citizen eligible to vote? The only way you can justify more restrictions is if you believe there is widespread voter fraud, which has been proven over and over that there's not, and you're trying to reduce it. What's funny, is that this could completely backfire on the R party. We'll have to see what happens when the Midterms come but considering voting is the very core of our nation and what our nation stands for, no, I don't see it being legitimate, especially when one of the new laws is "A ban on handing out food and water within 150 feet of a polling place, or within 25 feet of any voter." What exactly does that accomplish?

Don't you find it ironic that these laws were put in place in a state that has voted R every 4 years since 1996 and there was no concern, and then boom, they vote D for the first time in 2 decades and it's "We need more voting laws!". 

Not really .

Sending ballots to peopke who do not request them is ripe for fraud .

Having unsecured drop boxes is ripe for fraud .

Nor having to show I'd is ripe for fraud .

You want fair and free elections? Or a  free for all ? 

I do not see anything on that list that restricts shit . I see things that make it more difficult to commit fraud not impossible just more difficult 

[Crnr2Crnr]

All voting should be done while filling our income taxes and have the IRS and state tax collection agencies count the votes.

[Ez ryder]

Just now, Crnr2Crnr said:

All voting should be done while filling our income taxes and have the IRS and state tax collection agencies count the votes.

I am down with that . I think every election should be on apr 16th 

[Ez ryder]

2 hours ago, Mainecat said:

2,400 deaths in Florida during the first 2 weeks in September alone.

Funny almost the exact numbers of those  who iligaly crossed the border and were prossed in to America in August alone.  You must be so proud 

 

[Ez ryder]

I also don't think people should get tax pulled from there check automatically.  They should all send it in quarterly . 

[EvilBird]

10 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

 I find that to be simply awesome. 

Because you are a sick old derranged fuck with a pathetic life. Rock on boomer🤘 

[EvilBird]

31 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Yes, I believe there was election fraud, but it didn't take much to swing this election.  20,000 votes in Wisconsin changed who got the electoral votes.  It was like that in many states.

And I want election integrity and I don't care if it backfires on a specific party.  Party affiliation should have nothing to do with making our elections more secure.

Exactly......GW Bush started this shit when His Brother helped him steal FL. I have no problem admitting this. Democrats seem to have forgot.

We NEED fair and legit elections and both Parties seem to not care, just pointing fingers at eachother while never addressing it to keep the sheep fighting. 

Its a BIG club and Trump nor the American people are in it. 

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by EvilBird

[SShooterZ]

Ripe for fraud and verifiable fraud are 2 different things though. If someone could show my some proof, I'd be 100% onboard but so far I haven't seen or heard anything outside of someone mailing in his mom's ballot and another dude shot and killed his wife and sent in her ballot. Nothing that would initiate widespread changes IMO.

The only issue I have with the taxes route is the poor and welfare recipients if they don't have another source of income, don't pay taxes I don't believe. I might be wrong though.

I don't believe I needed ID to vote in IL, only signature confirmation, but that was at the polls in person. I think mail in was different. And not everyone has the means to make it to a drop off box. Same with an ID. Everyone has a SS# and should have a card, but if the card is lost, trying to get a new one is a major PITA. (Going through this right now for my son). Even with the SS card though, all you have is a signature. Same person doesn't drive or has a suspended license, what other ID forms would they have? They just shouldn't be allowed to vote now?

[racer254]

2 hours ago, Ez ryder said:

I also don't think people should get tax pulled from there check automatically.  They should all send it in quarterly . 

I tell you, people would be really upset and it would be a good thing to do.  The government wants to make this easy for the average worker so they DON'T get upset about it.

 

[Mainecat]

The new voter laws won’t hurt Republicans….lol okaaay

That and refusing vaccines should put the repub party where the wooly mammoths went…..extinct.

[Ez ryder]

38 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

The new voter laws won’t hurt Republicans….lol okaaay

That and refusing vaccines should put the repub party where the wooly mammoths went…..extinct.

Homer is who I picture every time I read your regurgitate drivel 

[Ez ryder]

2 hours ago, SShooterZ said:

Ripe for fraud and verifiable fraud are 2 different things though. If someone could show my some proof, I'd be 100% onboard but so far I haven't seen or heard anything outside of someone mailing in his mom's ballot and another dude shot and killed his wife and sent in her ballot. Nothing that would initiate widespread changes IMO.

The only issue I have with the taxes route is the poor and welfare recipients if they don't have another source of income, don't pay taxes I don't believe. I might be wrong though.

I don't believe I needed ID to vote in IL, only signature confirmation, but that was at the polls in person. I think mail in was different. And not everyone has the means to make it to a drop off box. Same with an ID. Everyone has a SS# and should have a card, but if the card is lost, trying to get a new one is a major PITA. (Going through this right now for my son). Even with the SS card though, all you have is a signature. Same person doesn't drive or has a suspended license, what other ID forms would they have? They just shouldn't be allowed to vote now?

You can't tell me in today's world they can't have a system in place that pulls your info and pic if you give the clerk your info if you don't have I'd.  Every cop has it in there car 

[SShooterZ]

4 minutes ago, Ez ryder said:

You can't tell me in today's world they can't have a system in place that pulls your info and pic if you give the clerk your info if you don't have I'd.  Every cop has it in there car 

Every cop has it in their car because of your driver's license. What happens if someone hasn't had a driver's license for many years? All my photo IDs from my state use my DL picture. You could easily have an 18 year old, legal to vote, not have a driver's license and thus, have no photo history outside of maybe a school ID.

[Rigid1]

36 minutes ago, SShooterZ said:

Every cop has it in their car because of your driver's license. What happens if someone hasn't had a driver's license for many years? All my photo IDs from my state use my DL picture. You could easily have an 18 year old, legal to vote, not have a driver's license and thus, have no photo history outside of maybe a school ID.

And they couldn't buy cold meds, pick up a prescription, buy a can of spray paint, ammo, a gun, alcohol, tobacco products, get into a concert, open a bank account, go to a casino. Shit I had to upload a photo front and back of my DL and allow the govt to control my camera on my phone for 3 facial recognition scans to OPT OUT of the 3rd stimulus in July of this year. But no ID or facial recognition scans to get the money, only to OPT OUT..Tell me that isn't fucked up.. My kids have had a valid state issued sheriff ID since they were 5.

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Rigid1

[SShooterZ]

7 minutes ago, Rigid1 said:

And they couldn't buy cold meds, pick up a prescription, buy a can of spray paint, ammo, a gun, alcohol, tobacco products, get into a concert, open a bank account, go to a casino. Shit I had to upload a photo front and back of my DL and allow the govt to control my camera on my phone for 3 facial recognition scans to OPT OUT of the 3rd stimulus in July of this year. But no ID or facial recognition scans to get the money, only to OPT OUT..Tell me that isn't fucked up.. My kids have had a valid state issued sheriff ID since they were 5.

I don't disagree with any of what you stated, and yes, completely fucked up to opt out. That makes no sense at all.

All that said, none of those are constitutionally protected rights of Americans like voting is. (I could argue the gun part all day but I have a feeling we're all on the same page with that so what's the point.)