Mag6240 712 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) 1 minute ago, SShooterZ said: 93% of ICU beds in use seems high. Any idea what the "norm" is before the virus hit? Great question. I would suspect that running at a 93% ICU bed rate makes those hospitals A LOT of money. And that in turn allows them to KEEP all their doctors and nurses employed! Not like it was last year when they were cutting staff because nobody was going to the hospital, even for all the "norm"al things people usually do and require said treatment. Edited September 16 by Mag6240 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mag6240 712 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) Maybe this 93% ICU bed rate is due to all the jackasses going up north and crossing roads on the way to the next bar in their SXS's without looking! Edited September 16 by Mag6240 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug 472 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 I think it was in Florida last year where some hospitals got caught inflating the numbers to receive additional Federal aid. Of course we now have the additional Afghanistan refugees that I'm sure were vaccinated before they walked off the plane. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
racer254 2,267 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 8 minutes ago, Mag6240 said: Maybe this 93% ICU bed rate is due to all the jackasses going up north and crossing roads on the way to the next bar in their SXS's without looking! Could be due to a lot of factors. Labor Day, School athletics, We got 13,0000 afghan refugees. I mean, if you really have time to research, you can figure it out, but like anything, if the media can blame it on one simple cause, the populace that is lazy will believe it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
X2700 116 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Vaccinations definitely not keeping you from getting it!! neither moderna or phizer. I will say they probably help with not having severe complications. Hospitals are a mess right now. Short staffed long hours!! numbers of cases in two local hospitals higher than year ago!! I think this is due to everybody just out and about. not much we can do but ride the wave and hope for the best!! think sooner or later everyone will get it!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bontz 1,152 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 If an ICU has 30 beds, but can only maintain 10 of them because they don't have nurses and other medical resources, then yeah occupying 9 out of 10 vs. 9 out of 30 is a bit misleading. But 93% sounds way more scary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Angry ginger 7,253 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 minute ago, Bontz said: If an ICU has 30 beds, but can only maintain 10 of them because they don't have nurses and other medical resources, then yeah occupying 9 out of 10 vs. 9 out of 30 is a bit misleading. But 93% sounds way more scary. well if you don't have the staff the other 20 beds are immaterial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdsky 383 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) A chart with the stat's is much easier to understand vs a single data point or stat. As with any data it's how you interpret it. Look at the trend lines over the past year for hospitalization, ICU patients and ICU, Bed and Ventilator usage. The trend lines are pretty flat which tells me that even though 55% of WI residents are fully vaccinated it's having little to no impact on the hospitalization rates or number of people in the ICU over the past year. For fuck sake, people need to go on living their lives even though this weapon has been unleashed and there is little to nothing any of us can do about it. Perhaps those most in fear over this shit should be taking their leaders to task over holding those responsible for releasing this shit and making them accountable for it. Edited September 16 by jdsky 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bontz 1,152 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Just now, Angry ginger said: well if you don't have the staff the other 20 beds are immaterial. I know .. and I agree. But the fact is, they like to use percentages to make this look worse than it really is. I'm speculating here, but I'd have to guess the lack of staffing is due to COVID as well with a lot of it related to mandatory jabs resulting in staff not accepting that & quitting. If fully staffed, those "30" beds would be available. I realize the other 20 are irrelevant, but using percentages to paint a picture is misleading. Saying 9 cases are in the ICU with only 10 of 30 beds available isn't nearly as effective though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
racer254 2,267 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 4 minutes ago, Bontz said: I know .. and I agree. But the fact is, they like to use percentages to make this look worse than it really is. I'm speculating here, but I'd have to guess the lack of staffing is due to COVID as well with a lot of it related to mandatory jabs resulting in staff not accepting that & quitting. If fully staffed, those "30" beds would be available. I realize the other 20 are irrelevant, but using percentages to paint a picture is misleading. Saying 9 cases are in the ICU with only 10 of 30 beds available isn't nearly as effective though. Yep, it's called deception. And there are a few that use it constantly on this site. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crnr2Crnr 757 Posted September 16 Author Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: You really have turned into quite a whiner. I have also. It’s not that bad. I never realized how easy the fishing was in this pond until recently. https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/hosp-data.htm Facts aren't nearly as entertaining as pure speculation and internet rumors. My favorite statistic on the site is how the vast majority of deaths are white Boomer's. Hand me the worms... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frostynuts 436 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) Pfizer and Moderna say COVID-19 vaccine protection wanes after six to eight months (msn.com) Message for all the sheep, now that they got you all hooked, get ready for your bi-annual booster shots ! Edited September 16 by Frostynuts 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Woodtick 9,005 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Looks like plenty of beds? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ez ryder 5,755 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 22 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: You would be wrong again. https://www.nbc15.com/2021/08/19/wisconsin-shows/ No need to open we see what Network you know one of the ones you have not watched since 2004 yet continue to post links from lol propagandized the story Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ez ryder 5,755 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 9 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I never realized how easy the fishing was in this pond until recently. https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/hosp-data.htm Facts aren't nearly as entertaining as pure speculation and internet rumors. My favorite statistic on the site is how the vast majority of deaths are white Boomer's. Hand me the worms... So pull up the cdc numbers on deaths and show us all what category makes up the biggest dead pool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crnr2Crnr 757 Posted September 17 Author Share Posted September 17 1 hour ago, Ez ryder said: So pull up the cdc numbers on deaths and show us all what category makes up the biggest dead pool https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge 85 & over with a slight edge over boomers https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/health_disparities.htm predominantly white do your own fucking research, that took me a minute on a slow connection with a slightly smart phone and a dumb operator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crnr2Crnr 757 Posted September 17 Author Share Posted September 17 https://www.foxnews.com/health/americans-covid-data-death-census COVID-19 kills Americans at a rate of 1 in 500, data shows https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-all-covid-19-deaths-us-unvaccinated Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in US are now among unvaccinated https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-in-us-state-by-state-breakdown Coronavirus in the US: State-by-state breakdown https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-cases-rising-in-schools Pediatric COVID cases rising in multiple states as students return to the classroom https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nhl-expects-98-of-players-to-be-vaccinated-before-season lmao, this one is for @Zambroski NHL expects 98% of players to be vaccinated before season Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ez ryder 5,755 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 36 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge 85 & over with a slight edge over boomers https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/health_disparities.htm predominantly white do your own fucking research, that took me a minute on a slow connection with a slightly smart phone and a dumb operator So it looks like boomers are the #1 winners of the covid dead pool . Let's face it the over 85 don't count they were only called covid for the extra cash the home got . Most were never even tested when they died in there sleep in the wheel chair in the hall after diner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crnr2Crnr 757 Posted September 17 Author Share Posted September 17 4 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: So it looks like boomers are the #1 winners of the covid dead pool . Let's face it the over 85 don't count they were only called covid for the extra cash the home got . Most were never even tested when they died in there sleep in the wheel chair in the hall after diner I hope neither of us ever die in a home. IDK about you but I plan to buy a Polaris in my twilight years and leave this spinning blue marble crashing in a fiery inferno... because Polaris. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug 472 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Wife talked to her RN friend last week and she said the same thing that it's a staff shortage and not techically a bed shortage. You have to have X number of staff to support X number of beds. She was offered a crazy bonus to cancel her vacation and take the days off at a later time. If you have 30 beds but only staff to support 10 you only have 10 beds available. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ez ryder 5,755 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 (edited) Again try to book a apt to see your regular doctor for somthing not nessisarly urgent but pressing none the less tomarrow. See where they tell you to go . And when urgent care is backed up for 4 hrs see where they tell you to go . This is all a result of propaganda installing fear to the masses making them put off regular care for over a yr and now top that with massive staffing shortages that have everything to do with making last yrs essential heros in to unemployed anti vaxers . Enjoy your self Edited September 20 by Ez ryder 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deephaven 376 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 16 hours ago, Doug said: Wife talked to her RN friend last week and she said the same thing that it's a staff shortage and not techically a bed shortage. You have to have X number of staff to support X number of beds. She was offered a crazy bonus to cancel her vacation and take the days off at a later time. If you have 30 beds but only staff to support 10 you only have 10 beds available. Might be the single biggest mishandling of the pandemic was the handouts. Hell a local pizza place had this sign out front today at lunch. WTF? Doesn't anyone want to work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambroski 22,023 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 18 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Might be the single biggest mishandling of the pandemic was the handouts. Hell a local pizza place had this sign out front today at lunch. WTF? Doesn't anyone want to work? It’s really hard to rate the epic “mishandling” of this complete debacle of a so called pandemic. So much idiocy. Just so much. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug 472 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 39 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Might be the single biggest mishandling of the pandemic was the handouts. Hell a local pizza place had this sign out front today at lunch. WTF? Doesn't anyone want to work? That would be one of them. When you hear somebody say I'm not going back to work because I'm making more money not working. Just shows again how backwards things are. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ez ryder 5,755 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 2 hours ago, Deephaven said: Might be the single biggest mishandling of the pandemic was the handouts. Hell a local pizza place had this sign out front today at lunch. WTF? Doesn't anyone want to work? I have not been able to get a hot lunch in uptown for over 2 mo every place has a sign taped to the door closed afternoons because if staffing issues . Just nuts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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