akvanden Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, ACE said: It is it’s completely normal to be living with mild respiratory illnesses around us. When has that not existed? You’re right, they do this every summer is MO. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/563296-missouri-county-requests-funds-for-alternate-hospital-site-to-relieive?amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, akvanden said: You’re right, they do this every summer is MO. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/563296-missouri-county-requests-funds-for-alternate-hospital-site-to-relieive?amp Yes. Especially here. Our hospitals are always full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Crappie Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 8 hours ago, ACE said: The alt left says no to protect corporations. Interesting. If they knowingly hid, withheld or lied about info about adverse effects of their vacine then hell yes. Otherwise it's on the fda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, ACE said: Yes. Especially here. Our hospitals are always full "This is normal, let me not answer your question" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Crappie said: If they knowingly hid, withheld or lied about info about adverse effects of their vacine then hell yes. Otherwise it's on the fda. So should the FDA be liable? Right now nobody is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Crappie Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, ACE said: So should the FDA be liable? Right now nobody is The fda reviewed and gave final approval so yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Crappie said: The fda reviewed and gave final approval so yeah. When did they give approval? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted July 22, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 22, 2021 14 hours ago, Mainecat said: No I just owned the thread Mumbles. You really are broke AF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Company’s that force vaccination should be liable if shit goes bad! especially if not fda approved! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, X2700 said: Company’s that force vaccination should be liable if shit goes bad! especially if not fda approved! Actually, this is turning into a real problem for companies pushing it. They are indeed liable if they force, by any means, their employees to get the shot. My daughters company, who runs several hospice/rehab centers is “highly recommending” that the employees get the shot but not forcing it. Many companies are not because of their liability involved in doing so. Same way if they were to force you to get a flu shot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 These vaccines are NOT fda approved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 22, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 22, 2021 14 hours ago, akvanden said: You’re right, they do this every summer is MO. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/563296-missouri-county-requests-funds-for-alternate-hospital-site-to-relieive?amp https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20190205/bad-flu-seasons-test-us-hospitals Bad flu seasons test US hospitals ADD TOPIC TO EMAIL ALERTS Hospitals in the United States have implemented new policies based on last year’s severe influenza season, but infectious disease experts agree that America’s health care systems would still be seriously challenged by another bad influenza season. Tight resources and underfunding mean hospitals are ill prepared for “surge” events, such as last year’s influenza season, they said. The 2017-2018 influenza season was the first to be classified as “high severity” across all age groups, according to the CDC. There were high levels of outpatient clinic and ED visits for influenza-like illness (ILI), high rates of influenza-related hospitalizations and geographically widespread influenza activity, the agency reported. ILI was at or above the national baseline for 19 weeks, which made it one of the longest influenza seasons in recent years. In the U.S., an estimated 959,000 people were hospitalized and 79,400 people died because of influenza last season, according to figures released by the CDC. The number of cases of influenza-associated illness that occurred last season — an estimated 48.4 million people — was the highest since the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, when an estimated 60 million people became sick with influenza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20190205/bad-flu-seasons-test-us-hospitals Bad flu seasons test US hospitals ADD TOPIC TO EMAIL ALERTS Hospitals in the United States have implemented new policies based on last year’s severe influenza season, but infectious disease experts agree that America’s health care systems would still be seriously challenged by another bad influenza season. Tight resources and underfunding mean hospitals are ill prepared for “surge” events, such as last year’s influenza season, they said. The 2017-2018 influenza season was the first to be classified as “high severity” across all age groups, according to the CDC. There were high levels of outpatient clinic and ED visits for influenza-like illness (ILI), high rates of influenza-related hospitalizations and geographically widespread influenza activity, the agency reported. ILI was at or above the national baseline for 19 weeks, which made it one of the longest influenza seasons in recent years. In the U.S., an estimated 959,000 people were hospitalized and 79,400 people died because of influenza last season, according to figures released by the CDC. The number of cases of influenza-associated illness that occurred last season — an estimated 48.4 million people — was the highest since the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, when an estimated 60 million people became sick with influenza. A bad flu outbreak in July. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 The same people who convulse about Monsanto and round up are the same people that think vaccine companies shouldn’t be liable for damages 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 22, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, akvanden said: A bad flu outbreak in July. Nice. Dude hospitals have been claiming about capacity issues for years when it comes to bad flu seasons. https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/ https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/6/01-0370_article Yet data showed covid not much worse than bad flu seasons. https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-new-data-show-hospital-levels-not-much-worse-than-flu-season Edited July 22, 2021 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 22, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted July 22, 2021 Nope manufactures shouldn’t be liable. I feel the same way with all products. User assumes all risk IMO. But just my opinion as corporations have been held responsible for their products in the past. Roundup comes to mind when corporations have to pay for people ignorance and retardation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, Highmark said: Dude hospitals have been claiming about capacity issues for years when it comes to bad flu seasons. Yes it came out in court here that hospitals are no more full than a typical mild respiratory illness season basically, our healthcare sucks and is always overwhelmed. hospitals are not full of covid patients, they’re just full all the time. Covid patients are actually just a small percent of their clientele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 22, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, ACE said: Yes it came out in court here that hospitals are no more full than a typical mild respiratory illness season basically, our healthcare sucks and is always overwhelmed. hospitals are not full of covid patients, they’re just full all the time. Covid patients are actually just a small percent of their clientele Yep but we are somehow pushing "misinformation." https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-new-data-show-hospital-levels-not-much-worse-than-flu-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Yep but we are somehow pushing "misinformation." https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-new-data-show-hospital-levels-not-much-worse-than-flu-season Facts, science and data are heresy to the covid fear cult the flu is actually harder on young people than covid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 22, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Nope manufactures shouldn’t be liable. I feel the same way with all products. User assumes all risk IMO. But just my opinion as corporations have been held responsible for their products in the past. Roundup comes to mind when corporations have to pay for people ignorance and retardation When the manufacturer knowingly hides risks or issues they should be held accountable. Mfg's should not be held responsible when someone uses their product improperly. Its why the approval process from the FDA is so stringent on drugs and vaccines. They need somewhat long term testing to see effects down the road. Not lets inject 300 million people with something we have no long data on. The tobacco industry pumping nicotine into their products to addict people when they knew smoking was bad is a perfect example. Comparing that to suing a gun mfg because someone killed a loved one is fucking retarded comparison. Edited July 22, 2021 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: When the manufacturer knowingly hides risks or issues they should be held accountable. Mfg's should not be held responsible when someone uses their product improperly. The tobacco industry pumping nicotine into their products to addict people when they knew smoking was bad is a perfect example. Aspartame too. That was an interesting approval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 22, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, ACE said: Facts, science and data are heresy to the covid fear cult the flu is actually harder on young people than covid Like a broken record my issue has been the manipulation of everything involved with this. Pollicization of this has been sickening. It would not have been handled the same way in a non election year and the GOP would have done the same damn thing if Hillary had won and was running for reelection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, Highmark said: Like a broken record my issue has been the manipulation of everything involved with this. Pollicization of this has been sickening. It would not have been handled the same way in a non election year and the GOP would have done the same damn thing if Hillary had won and was running for reelection. Agreed. My issue with it is how virtue signalling and stupid talking points take precedence over actual facts and data. And when you show the fear cult the actual data, they freak like you’re the conspiracy theorist when in reality covid fear is the conspiracy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostynuts Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just imagine how different the covid death quantity reporting system would differ if those MFRS were liable for every covid death after being vaccinated ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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