Advertising Member Seatofmypants Posted August 25, 2020 Advertising Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 Know a persons arrest record? I served on a jury for a child molestation case. One of the instructions was that we were not allowed to look up or read about the defendants past....no news no criminal records....nothing. This has me wondering, what if cops didn't know of past trials and charges (only current warrants)? Would it help some people break out of "the system?" Thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seatofmypants said: Know a persons arrest record? I served on a jury for a child molestation case. One of the instructions was that we were not allowed to look up or read about the defendants past....no news no criminal records....nothing. This has me wondering, what if cops didn't know of past trials and charges (only current warrants)? Would it help some people break out of "the system?" Thoughts? Yes....if someone has a history of violence they need to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted August 25, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertising Member Seatofmypants Posted August 25, 2020 Author Advertising Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Yes....if someone has a history of violence they need to know Entire record or just violent offences? You can see how investigating a record could pre-dispose an officer to look harder for offences though....right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seatofmypants said: Know a persons arrest record? I served on a jury for a child molestation case. One of the instructions was that we were not allowed to look up or read about the defendants past....no news no criminal records....nothing. This has me wondering, what if cops didn't know of past trials and charges (only current warrants)? Would it help some people break out of "the system?" Thoughts? The thing is most cops from the same communities know who the bad asses are whether they were convicted of their crimes or not. Tons of cases get thrown out of court daily due to technicalities but it still doesn't change the fact the police know who the good guys are and who isn't. What you mention above as been the way the courts have operated forever. Just because a person has some offenses/charges against them that have stuck does not mean the current charges against them will also stick. Each person, despite their record, gets a fair trial and like always is innocent until proven guilty. Just the way it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Seatofmypants said: Entire record or just violent offences? You can see how investigating a record could pre-dispose an officer to look harder for offences though....right? It’s an interesting thing to consider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I believe they use to read out previous charges/convictions in court then tell the jury not to consider them as this is a new case/charge which has nothing to do with prior ones. I no longer believe they still do that but I could be wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertising Member Seatofmypants Posted August 25, 2020 Author Advertising Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, f7ben said: It’s an interesting thing to consider That's all I'm asking. I know a guy here locally that has some drug charges in his past, served his time, and is now a chef. Why should he have to answer if he has drugs in the car, when he got pulled over for rolling a stop sign? The system seem to suck people in and bleed them dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertising Member Seatofmypants Posted August 25, 2020 Author Advertising Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, irv said: I believe they use to read out previous charges/convictions in court then tell the jury not to consider them as this is a new case/charge which has nothing to do with prior ones. I no longer believe they still do that but I could be wrong? They didn't at the trial I was part of. Our jury let the guy walk, I went home after and looked him up.......history of sex offences....FML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Seatofmypants said: That's all I'm asking. I know a guy here locally that has some drug charges in his past, served his time, and is now a chef. Why should he have to answer if he has drugs in the car, when he got pulled over for rolling a stop sign? The system seem to suck people in and bleed them dry. That’s what it’s designed to do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, f7ben said: Yes....if someone has a history of violence they need to know Bute Liquor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted August 25, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Seatofmypants said: Entire record or just violent offences? You can see how investigating a record could pre-dispose an officer to look harder for offences though....right? Well guy gets pulled over has had 5 previous dwi, guy gets caught with a bag full of tools has been arrested for breaking and entering 15 times, Habitual shop lifters should be known..Yes, a complete arrest history should be made available to people that need to know that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, s pump said: Bute Liquor I drank your cow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted August 25, 2020 USA Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 If you have a pistol permit and a cop pulls you over and runs your plate should it be part of the report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Seatofmypants said: They didn't at the trial I was part of. Our jury let the guy walk, I went home after and looked him up.......history of sex offences....FML I hear ya loud and clear but if the evidence was lacking in your particular case then they had no choice. The law isn't perfect but it is what it is. Did you ever see The Star Chamber? Edited August 25, 2020 by irv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: I drank your cow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 25, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 Great question and I tend to lean towards yes they should should know the persons criminal record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Seatofmypants said: That's all I'm asking. I know a guy here locally that has some drug charges in his past, served his time, and is now a chef. Why should he have to answer if he has drugs in the car, when he got pulled over for rolling a stop sign? The system seem to suck people in and bleed them dry. I know someone who served over 200 days in jail, just so they would not be on probation after. Probation is worse than jail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 25, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Snake said: I know someone who served over 200 days in jail, just so they would not be on probation after. Probation is worse than jail. I know a couple guys that did the same thing..said fuck probation and I don’t blame them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertising Member Seatofmypants Posted August 25, 2020 Author Advertising Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, $poorsledder$ said: If you have a pistol permit and a cop pulls you over and runs your plate should it be part of the report? I don't believe so and I don't think it is. However, that should be the first thing you tell them, should you be actually carrying that day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 31 minutes ago, Seatofmypants said: I don't believe so and I don't think it is. However, that should be the first thing you tell them, should you be actually carrying that day. yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 25, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Seatofmypants said: Know a persons arrest record? I served on a jury for a child molestation case. One of the instructions was that we were not allowed to look up or read about the defendants past....no news no criminal records....nothing. This has me wondering, what if cops didn't know of past trials and charges (only current warrants)? Would it help some people break out of "the system?" Thoughts? Basicly impossible as cops know most defendants from the street. 95 % of all crimes are committed by the same 4 % of people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 25, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Seatofmypants said: I don't believe so and I don't think it is. However, that should be the first thing you tell them, should you be actually carrying that day. Is it the law to inform cop you are carrying in PA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Crappie Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 hours ago, $poorsledder$ said: If you have a pistol permit and a cop pulls you over and runs your plate should it be part of the report? Absolutely not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball 440 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 4 hours ago, steve from amherst said: Is it the law to inform cop you are carrying in PA? Why are you trying to surprise them with a loaded pistol? Bang bang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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