Mileage Psycho Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Years of refinement that alway results in the best handling chassis in the market. I love the question in bold and the answer that follows as it's one I have tried to explain in regards to the Procross. May the truly ignorant and primitive flame away. Quote Porsche 911 history: the complete timeline from 901 to 992 Have you ever tried to explain the Porsche 911 to a normal person? It’s fiendishly complex, littered with historical faux-pas, mis-information and rumour, yet it’s also one of the car-world’s most important automotive genealogies – and for good reason. Not only is the 911 ‘the’ quintessential sports car, it has also consistently been a yardstick for performance cars throughout its over 50-year history, constantly redefining our expectations in performance, handling and interaction, the latter being of crucial importance in these pages. https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/22001/porsche-911-history-the-complete-timeline-from-901-to-992 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 They have been around about the same amount of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Depreciation is close for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Cat rr depreciates less in real dollars than an XRS renegade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Poor Arctic Cat Polaris and Ski Doo upping the ante with their spring order programs due to the uncertain economy: Polaris: 48 month 0.0% interest, 2 year bumper to bumper warranty and $500 cash guarantee that you get your sled by Nov 30th. Or 12 month 0.0%, 4 year B2B, and $500 guarantee. Finally, ordering date extended until May 1st. Doo: $500 additional customer coupon when ordering (if you ever bought a Doo in the past) 3 year B2B and free ice ripper upgrade. Cat: 12 month warranty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 The oversteer of a 911 has always been unsettling to me. Maybe if I spent more time in one it would feel more natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: The oversteer of a 911 has always been unsettling to me. Maybe if I spent more time in one it would feel more natural. they are a road track fave for club racing for a reason . the little Toyota powered alloy lotus is almost as popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 More like the volkswagon beetle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted April 3, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: they are a road track fave for club racing for a reason . the little Toyota powered alloy lotus is almost as popular I was just fucking around with one of those last week.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Not sure why cat would need a new chassis. It’s become so well refined as it is. I’d by far prefer a new 900 2 stroke and keep the chassis that they have 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Ez ryder said: they are a road track fave for club racing for a reason . the little Toyota powered alloy lotus is almost as popular I don’t care for a vehicle that I have to be so “on” all the time. That’s why I always preferred the feel of a BMW with its slight understeer. It was way more forgiving on the open road and offered a better experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: I don’t care for a vehicle that I have to be so “on” all the time. That’s why I always preferred the feel of a BMW with its slight understeer. It was way more forgiving on the open road and offered a better experience. The M5 is 1000 times the driving experience of any “drivers car” I’ve driven. The car feels so confident and composed at all times and communicates perfectly when the edge is approaching. It’s like an anti-corvette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, spin_dry said: I don’t care for a vehicle that I have to be so “on” all the time. That’s why I always preferred the feel of a BMW with its slight understeer. It was way more forgiving on the open road and offered a better experience. Those old Porsches are still alot of fun on the track. Even with the low horsepower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, ACE said: Not sure why cat would need a new chassis. It’s become so well refined as it is. I’d by far prefer a new 900 2 stroke and keep the chassis that they have Consumer crybabies that can’t ride demand it. Doesn’t matter the machine or the sport. The PC frame needs no upgrade. The chassis is always in refinement phase. A complete update to a frame means the frame was a pile to start with. See Polaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, Zambroski said: Consumer crybabies that can’t ride demand it. Doesn’t matter the machine or the sport. The PC frame needs no upgrade. The chassis is always in refinement phase. A complete update to a frame means the frame was a pile to start with. See Polaris. They need a complete redesign of the ergos....that can be done on the same frame I agree.....I haven’t taken one newer than 2016 apart but they are complete garbage up to that point. Total typical Arctic cat junk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, f7ben said: They need a complete redesign of the ergos....that can be done on the same frame I agree.....I haven’t taken one newer than 2016 apart but they are complete garbage up to that point. Total typical Arctic cat junk Jist be quiet. Buy a Poo and be happy. They make those for people like you. Nothing wrong with admitting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Jist be quiet. Buy a Poo and be happy. They make those for people like you. Nothing wrong with admitting that. Well the poo is the best chassis ever built and anyone who actually rides agrees. Poo doesn’t build anything that appeals to 5’4 driveway jumpers who aren’t concerned with speeds over 50 or getting anywhere too fast. I guess that leaves you with your poser sled in perfect harmony Edited April 3, 2020 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, f7ben said: Well the poo is the best chassis ever built and anyone who actually rides agrees. Poo doesn’t build anything that appeals to 5’4 driveway jumpers who aren’t concerned with speeds over 50 or getting anywhere too fast. I guess that leaves you with your poser sled in perfect harmony Poo builds granny sleds for people looking for two up riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, f7ben said: The M5 is 1000 times the driving experience of any “drivers car” I’ve driven. The car feels so confident and composed at all times and communicates perfectly when the edge is approaching. It’s like an anti-corvette How has the M5 been treating you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, spin_dry said: How has the M5 been treating you? Little over 1000 miles last summer and beat it like a rented mule every single time out. Just took it out for the first time this year a few days ago and my dad drove cause I was sauced you. He was having a blast lol. Im going to be selling the e60 and planning to buy an f10 m5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, f7ben said: Well the poo is the best chassis ever built and anyone who actually rides agrees. Poo doesn’t build anything that appeals to 5’4 driveway jumpers who aren’t concerned with speeds over 50 or getting anywhere too fast. I guess that leaves you with your poser sled in perfect harmony 58 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Poo builds granny sleds for people looking for two up riding. I would pay to see you two in a " TOUGH-MAN CONTEST "!!!! 3, 2 minute rounds!! LMAO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Polaris 550 said: I would pay to see you two in a " TOUGH-MAN CONTEST "!!!! 3, 2 minute rounds!! LMAO!!! Would you pay $25,000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, Polaris 550 said: I would pay to see you two in a " TOUGH-MAN CONTEST "!!!! 3, 2 minute rounds!! LMAO!!! I remember when UFC contests were actually called that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Anler said: Would you pay $25,000? Ya' mean the 25 Gs that Benny No Penny owes me!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said: Ya' mean the 25 Gs that Benny No Penny owes me!!!!! U owe him dumb dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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