Carlos Danger Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just now, Mainecat said: Obama served as a U.S. senator from Illinois from 2005 to 2008 and an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004. He just may have cooperated with the repub party more but after hearing McConnells statement on his first day in office he decided otherwise. Yes but compare that to Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter or the Bush presidents and you start to see a divide. First Senators make for bad candidates and poor presidents as a whole, Governors as a whole are much more successful at navigating Washington. Obama is a victim of his own success as in just about any other election cycle he would have never been the nominee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Cold War said: He always went back to America is not a just country. People don’t like that I think some people could find anything to hate about him. But you're right he didn't fix anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Carlos Danger said: Yes but compare that to Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter or the Bush presidents and you start to see a divide. First Senators make for bad candidates and poor presidents as a whole, Governors as a whole are much more successful at navigating Washington. Obama is a victim of his own success as in just about any other election cycle he would have never been the nominee. So Trump is a terrible president then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Wow hard to believe that most of the forum laid the problem at the feet of Obama........ I think the problem was layed bare under Obama but not the starting point. I don't care what side of the fence you are on you cannot take on a huge undertaking like healthcare and only listen to one side of the argument and expect the other half of the country to be ignored. The results were the loss of elections on state and federal levels that have not been seen in generations and in my mind the election of Donald Trump. Obama's inexperience not malice are probably to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Anler said: So Trump is a terrible president then? I was sure he was going to be worse than he is. Biggest successes for him are the courts, staying out of wars, not nuking the economy, and exposing the lefts hypocrisy. Not the worst president but not a statesman by any measure. I see him as the Canary in the coal mine as he did not create the divide but he did bring it to the fore front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: I was sure he was going to be worse than he is. Biggest successes for him are the courts, staying out of wars, not nuking the economy, and exposing the lefts hypocrisy. Not the worst president but not a statesman by any measure. I see him as the Canary in the coal mine as he did not create the divide but he did bring it to the fore front. Unfortunate it took electing Trump to point out the hypocrisy of politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Anler said: Unfortunate it took electing Trump to point out the hypocrisy of politics. Which is why I say we are not done with him. Medicine very rarely taste good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 2, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Anler said: Unfortunate it took electing Trump to point out the hypocrisy of politics. 4 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Which is why I say we are not done with him. Medicine very rarely taste good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: Many in here don't seem to get it. For example many on the left point to the christian right and say how can Trump be a spiritual leader with his past to a group like and the answer is simple they are not looking for Trump to be a spiritual leader they are looking for him to be their body guard. You do realize that the quote is taken out of context right? Listening to Bannon talk about Trump is very insightful into Trump abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: The last four of Obama’s term was the largest reason why we are here. The media, blatantly covering and protecting their DC establishment’s lies and deceit, became so easily seen. They clearly just didn’t care anymore. The liberal fascist movement was now going to be forced through as their weak minded, social justice warriors and self proclaimed intellectual elite fans cheered and ran interference by taking to social media and trying to destroy the lives of anybody and everybody that spoke out against them. Doing this, brought us Trump. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! Obama was the catalyst of a festering, boiling cauldron of hate from many minorities……….blacks, Muslims, leftists, socialists, etc. In my opinion, it's big and it's seriously BAD!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: The last four of Obama’s term was the largest reason why we are here. The media, blatantly covering and protecting their DC establishment’s lies and deceit, became so easily seen. They clearly just didn’t care anymore. The liberal fascist movement was now going to be forced through as their weak minded, social justice warriors and self proclaimed intellectual elite fans cheered and ran interference by taking to social media and trying to destroy the lives of anybody and everybody that spoke out against them. Doing this, brought us Trump. Bill Clinton was really good at keeping the more radical members of his party satisfied but out of the mainstream.Obama not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 2, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Many in here don't seem to get it. For example many on the left point to the christian right and say how can Trump be a spiritual leader with his past to a group like and the answer is simple they are not looking for Trump to be a spiritual leader they are looking for him to be their body guard. You do realize that the quote is taken out of context right? Listening to Bannon talk about Trump is very insightful into Trump abilities. I don't really care about the context....calling Trump a blunt instrument is a good description. Edited February 2, 2020 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I don't really care about the context....calling Trump a blunt instrument is a good description. I agree diplomacy had failed under Obama and the next step is war.......Trump is the Dogs of War. Which brings me back to the current cast of presidential hopefuls on the Dem side. If they are not going to appeal to the center of voters in this country and just focus on the more radical left what do you think will happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Edmo said: Obama seemed to fuel the divide in recent years. I don’t remember us being that divided before he got elected. Many weren’t happy with that man being president. The way the media is today just dumps gas in the fire. The way they sensationalize every little thing and the bias in reporting is just pathetic. Throwing a shoe at Bush? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 The divide started when JFK throttled Nixon in their debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mainecat said: The divide started when JFK throttled Nixon in their debate. No there was still plenty of civility inside Washington back then. Cold war dictated some of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Americans have been sold a bill of goods, that we are all a unified nation, patriotic, love the flag, love each other, love everybody, we are all one. We see now it's all bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Worst fukkin country on earth!! Somalia is probably better than this shit-hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted February 2, 2020 Gold Member Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Carlos Danger said: Where do you think the divide politically started in Washington? At first I was thinking Roe vs Wade but now I think I lean more towards the Bork nomination. what say you? The invention of the iPhone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: No there was still plenty of civility inside Washington back then. Cold war dictated some of it. After Nixon got throttled on national tv the repubs started their tirade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: No there was still plenty of civility inside Washington back then. Cold war dictated some of it. Not even close. Votes were cast on policy not political affiliation. A perfect example here in Michigan is Democrats supporting the auto industry. You had to or you would get killed. Now, you can pretty much get away with anything as long as you tout the party line. We see it here every day. It doesn’t matter what is being done, just who is doing it. Edited February 2, 2020 by Cold War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted February 2, 2020 Gold Member Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) First and foremost in my mind is a media that was practicing yellow journalism so much they even named their highest award after one of the men who popularized yellow journalism, Joe Pulitzer. Then we have the 24hr news cycle which adds fuel to yellow journalism and now we have added social media to the mix and consequently our media outlets are nothing more than bastions hypocritical outrage where the truth takes a back seat to controversy. Secondly, the notion of identity politics and "your team" above all else. We have a congress that averages about 20% approval rate but enjoys on average an 80% re-election rate. Not only that but "your team" is always good and the opposing side is always evil/stupid/corrupt. Thirdly, we have a rising movement for government to be ever more involved in our daily lives but was in fact designed NOT to be as involved. As a result we have people who firmly believe the government is failing them when they dont get their way. T Lastly would be the rise of the internet/social media and false information. This one exacerbates all of the above. Any moron with a half baked opinion can promote it as absolute fact. These are certainly not the only factors but IMO they are the primary factors leading to our current state of divide. Edited February 2, 2020 by Kivalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I don't believe the presidents have not been the problem, the problem lies with the career lawmakers calling the shots from both parties, the leaders blaming the president for the countries ills, are the same ones who have had 30+ years in some cases to make a difference and have chosen the partisan route and done absolutely nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mainecat said: After Nixon got throttled on national tv the repubs started their tirade. The vid of Biden in his corvette makes me so fukkin mad, I wish somebody would kick your ass. FUKKIN NH FUDGEPACKER!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just now, Polaris 550 said: The vid of Biden in his corvette makes me so fukkin mad, I wish somebody would kick your ass. FUKKIN NH FUDGEPACKER!!!! don't let MCsniffles get to you, he has a hard time remembering this morning much less 50 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, 01mxz800 said: don't let MCsniffles get to you, he has a hard time remembering this morning much less 50 years ago How old is he? I hope some Porno Rican kicks his ass at the convenience store or at Wal-Mart. Or maybe a black lesbian beats his ass at the mall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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