f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: ok so tell me what oem has built a more reliable 800 than the zuke laydown twin ? 850 etec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: ok so tell me what oem has built a more reliable 800 than the zuke laydown twin ? No one. But that’s not why I wont own a Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, Woodtick said: Your 50 mile reliability test is very regarded. It has almost 100 on it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: 850 etec time will tell not even close to time on the snow for that call . but I highly doubt it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, Ez ryder said: time will tell not even close to time on the snow for that call . but I highly doubt it . I bet failure rates are similar and the 850 etec us 10x the motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 minute ago, ACE said: It has almost 100 on it now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, ACE said: It has almost 100 on it now Time for a rebuild! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, f7ben said: I bet failure rates are similar and the 850 etec us 10x the motor we will see . history with brp has been one of over hype with bigger real world let downs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Anler said: Time for a rebuild! If it were a 800 doo ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdels Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 My experience with Suzuki motors as follows: 2000 ZR 700-- 13,800 miles when sold. Was beginning to start a little hard on super cold days but running strong. 2002 Z570 Fanner-- Bought new and still have. Will roll to 7000 this year. 2004 F7-- Bought new and still have. Might hit the 10000 mark this year. Strong as ever. 380 hours. 2005 Z370 Fanner. Bought with 400 miles sold last fall with 4200. 2006 Sabercat 500-- Bought used with about 5000 miles. 9000 by end of season. Starts and runs perfect. 450 hours. No motor work on any machine. Always used and always will use Cat oil but the biggest thing in my opinion is proper warm up and shut down. If compression was decent and the same on both sides the motor will be the last thing that needs work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Cat lay down twin has been the most durable large bore twin hands down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, jdels said: My experience with Suzuki motors as follows: 2000 ZR 700-- 13,800 miles when sold. Was beginning to start a little hard on super cold days but running strong. 2002 Z570 Fanner-- Bought new and still have. Will roll to 7000 this year. 2004 F7-- Bought new and still have. Might hit the 10000 mark this year. Strong as ever. 380 hours. 2005 Z370 Fanner. Bought with 400 miles sold last fall with 4200. 2006 Sabercat 500-- Bought used with about 5000 miles. 9000 by end of season. Starts and runs perfect. 450 hours. No motor work on any machine. Always used and always will use Cat oil but the biggest thing in my opinion is proper warm up and shut down. If compression was decent and the same on both sides the motor will be the last thing that needs work. Proper warm up is huge so many tards don't do it. Oh I'm just moving it off the trailer...so what still should be warm before you move it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 A question on Cat Zook motor reliability.....and Poo guys chime in like they have some type of words worth reading on the subject. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevester Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Ill play along. 2000 zr 700- dad gave it to me with 7500 miles on it lots of recoil work and new clutches put on. Biggest gas and oil pig ever. Had the buddy tank in it and still struggled to get 90 miles running hard. Put a hole in the case with 10k miles on it the second season I had it. 2002 zr 800cc- bought it off a friend 10 years ago for 2k with 2500 miles on it. Put 4k trouble free miles on it and sold it to a friend and he needed a rebuild at 8k miles. Still rides it today. 2004 700 sabercat lx- I got after 1 season and 2800 miles on it and he hated the 13.5" track. I put 2k on it and it blew the oil line off and needed a top and bottom end. 2005 t660- dad bought and put 18k miles on and small issues like axle bearings and jackshaft failures at 5k miles. New fuel pump at 12k miles. Sold it a few years ago. 2005 t660 st- bought myself used with 2k miles. Put 16k miles on it and it stuck a valve and needed a rebuild. Sold it to the same friend and he still rides it too. 2014 ZR 7000- starter motor at 600 miles, cracked oil reservoir at 2k miles, cracked chaincase at 4k miles, primary clutch at 5k miles. Sold with 6k to a friend. 2017 ZR 8000- 4600 miles with zero issues rather then just being a dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball 440 Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 So the 800 Suzuki is bulletproof nobody has denied that. How is the clutching? I had 2 Cats from the 90's and I had to put primary clutches on both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fireball 440 said: So the 800 Suzuki is bulletproof nobody has denied that. How is the clutching? I had 2 Cats from the 90's and I had to put primary clutches on both of them. Clutching doesn’t matter. Just keep modding the motor. Heard it here! LOL...I’m sure you’ll need to go through and do some rebuilding if you want the clutches working efficiently. Why are you acting like you don’t know your way around a sled anymore? Did you have a stroke or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fireball 440 said: So the 800 Suzuki is bulletproof nobody has denied that. How is the clutching? I had 2 Cats from the 90's and I had to put primary clutches on both of them. I’ve found them to wear at similar rates to doo. Maybe slower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 96 mxz 440– all the motors 03 rev 600, one top end in 600 miles 04 rev 800 HO, 2-3 top ends in 2000 miles 05 Mach Z, one top end, my fault. Buddy gave me a thermostat kit and I didn’t internet it and those kits were killing the motors 08 XP 800, one top end in 1800 miles 09 1200, no issues but wore out primary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball 440 Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Clutching doesn’t matter. Just keep modding the motor. Heard it here! LOL...I’m sure you’ll need to go through and do some rebuilding if you want the clutches working efficiently. Why are you acting like you don’t know your way around a sled anymore? Did you have a stroke or something? I'm a doo guy so I'm used to crankshafts splitting in half. I'm done with that kind of thing. 14 minutes ago, ACE said: I’ve found them to wear at similar rates to doo. Maybe slower That isn't bad at all then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, ACE said: Suzuki lay down twin has been the most durable large bore twin hands down Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 34 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Clutching doesn’t matter. Just keep modding the motor. Heard it here! LOL...I’m sure you’ll need to go through and do some rebuilding if you want the clutches working efficiently. Why are you acting like you don’t know your way around a sled anymore? Did you have a stroke or something? Yep. You can add 100hp. No clutching required! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, awful knawful said: Yep. You can add 100hp. No clutching required! You're a dumb motherfucker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Reevester said: Ill play along. 2000 zr 700- dad gave it to me with 7500 miles on it lots of recoil work and new clutches put on. Biggest gas and oil pig ever. Had the buddy tank in it and still struggled to get 90 miles running hard. Put a hole in the case with 10k miles on it the second season I had it. 2002 zr 800cc- bought it off a friend 10 years ago for 2k with 2500 miles on it. Put 4k trouble free miles on it and sold it to a friend and he needed a rebuild at 8k miles. Still rides it today. 2004 700 sabercat lx- I got after 1 season and 2800 miles on it and he hated the 13.5" track. I put 2k on it and it blew the oil line off and needed a top and bottom end. 2005 t660- dad bought and put 18k miles on and small issues like axle bearings and jackshaft failures at 5k miles. New fuel pump at 12k miles. Sold it a few years ago. 2005 t660 st- bought myself used with 2k miles. Put 16k miles on it and it stuck a valve and needed a rebuild. Sold it to the same friend and he still rides it too. 2014 ZR 7000- starter motor at 600 miles, cracked oil reservoir at 2k miles, cracked chaincase at 4k miles, primary clutch at 5k miles. Sold with 6k to a friend. 2017 ZR 8000- 4600 miles with zero issues rather then just being a dog. that would be the tuners fault . most would guess a old doo guy who thought they knew about clutching but then they found out paying a dealer for a new belt was not clutching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Fireball 440 said: So the 800 Suzuki is bulletproof nobody has denied that. How is the clutching? I had 2 Cats from the 90's and I had to put primary clutches on both of them. at 5k they prob both need some attention as well as the 5 pinion bearing in the DD.not to expensive or that hard to do if your dad is a TV repair man with a great set of tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevester Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: that would be the tuners fault . most would guess a old doo guy who thought they knew about clutching but then they found out paying a dealer for a new belt was not clutching Rebuilt several of the clutches. Broken sheaves and spyders are tough rebuilds when some of them like the t660 clutches were only sold as a complete clutch. Can't decipher the rest of you're jibberish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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