Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 9, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, SSFB said: Yeah, fucking crazy all they can talk about is more free stuff. Warren's HC plan is $5.2 trillion per year. $2 trillion more than we currently spend as a country on HC. WTF is that all about? Sanders is no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Highmark said: Warren's HC plan is $5.2 trillion per year. $2 trillion more than we currently spend as a country on HC. WTF is that all about? Sanders is no better. But rich people are gonna pay for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 9, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, SSFB said: But rich people are gonna pay for it! Billionaires are gonna flee this country or find a way to move their money like we've never seen before if Warren or Sanders win the nomination. Wealth tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Highmark said: Billionaires are gonna flee this country or find a way to move their money like we've never seen before if Warren or Sanders win the nomination. Wealth tax. I believe they already have. I believe most are very well protected and insulated from anything Warren or Sanders think they can pull from them. They will just pull their interests in anything they have going in this country. We'll crash. But it'll be the good kind of crash! We can rebuild into a good and proper socialism after that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 9, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Zambroski said: I believe they already have. I believe most are very well protected and insulated from anything Warren or Sanders think they can pull from them. They will just pull their interests in anything they have going in this country. We'll crash. But it'll be the good kind of crash! We can rebuild into a good and proper socialism after that! You know the dems would set up a easy path for them to avoid this. Some kind of existing or new Trust that is exempt yet lets them maintain control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Billionaires shouldn't exist while there is still poverty. It's obscene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Billionaires shouldn't exist while there is still poverty. It's obscene. Better for them to hold the money than the government. Government has had 50 years to win the war on poverty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, SSFB said: Better for them to hold the money than the government. Government has had 50 years to win the war on poverty. 50? Longer than that Bucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: I believe they already have. I believe most are very well protected and insulated from anything Warren or Sanders think they can pull from them. They will just pull their interests in anything they have going in this country. We'll crash. But it'll be the good kind of crash! We can rebuild into a good and proper socialism after that! We are seeing that exodus here in Canada under Trudope and the liberals, and I also believe socialism is what they are after? It's either that or whatever the U.N. is after as Trudope works for them, not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, SSFB said: Better for them to hold the money than the government. Government has had 50 years to win the war on poverty. Lol I'm not suggesting that the government gets it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SSFB Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Pete said: 50? Longer than that Bucky Johnson declared his war on poverty in the 60s was what I was getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: well considering those on the list you posted outside the Kochs took a risk and created their wealth I would say they deserve to be billionaires. They certainly should be taxed more though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: well considering those on the list you posted outside the Kochs took a risk and created their wealth I would say they deserve to be billionaires. They certainly should be taxed more though. No one deserves to be a billionaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: No one deserves to be a billionaire What an authoritarian thing for you to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, bussman said: What an authoritarian thing for you to say. No one 'earns' a billion dollars. That kind of wealth is only derived from the stolen wages from workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: No one 'earns' a billion dollars. That kind of wealth is only derived from the stolen wages from workers. yes or taking risks and succeeding. when the workers risk is minimal why do they deserve more of the revenue. And lets not forget their billions aren't real until they sell their stock. Edited December 9, 2019 by Angry ginger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: yes or taking risks and succeeding. when the workers risk is minimal why do they deserve more of the revenue. And lets not forget their billions aren't real until they sell their stock. The only risk they take is that they'll end up a worker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 when the workers absorb the losses when companies fail then they have the right to the same riches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Angry ginger said: when the workers absorb the losses when companies fail then they have the right to the same riches Yeah because losing your job and going bankrupt isn't much of a consequence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Seems like it’s always beta males and lesbians that still think communism works 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 "The corporations that own the media have worked overtime to sell to a bewildered public the fiction that we are enjoying a recovery. Employment figures, through a variety of gimmicks, including erasing those who are unemployed for over a year from unemployment rolls, are a lie, as is nearly every other financial indicator pumped out for public consumption. We live, rather, in the twilight stages of global capitalism, which may be surprisingly more resilient than we expect, but which is ultimately terminal. Marx knew that once the market mechanism became the sole determining factor for the fate of the nation-state, as well as the natural world, both would be demolished. No one knows when this will happen. But that it will happen, perhaps within our lifetime, seems certain." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 The reason that betas are so drawn to communism is because it rewards mediocrity and lack of ability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: No one 'earns' a billion dollars. That kind of wealth is only derived from the stolen wages from workers. So who will take it back from them? Those people would be “cops”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, bussman said: So who will take it back from them? Those people would be “cops”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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