ArcticCrusher Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He's right. http://www.macleans.ca/politics/harper-to-trudeau-canada-is-napping-on-nafta/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 https://globalnews.ca/news/3828752/quebec-face-covering-ban-support-canada-poll/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: He's right. http://www.macleans.ca/politics/harper-to-trudeau-canada-is-napping-on-nafta/ https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/10/27/ex-pm-stephen-harper-pens-memo-slamming-trudeau-government-over-nafta-talks.html Quote Second, he suggests the government made a tactical error by co-operating too closely with Mexico. He says Trump campaigned on constant complaints about Mexico, not Canada, and Harper appears to suggest it was unwise of the Liberals to insist upon renegotiating a trilateral NAFTA: “How did we get ourselves in this position? ... The elephant is Mexico ... In fact, the U.S. is both irked and mystified by the Liberals’ unwavering devotion to Mexico.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Dead cat bounce or as JT calls it sunny ways. http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/behind-morneaus-fiscal-update-boasts-lie-many-scary-signs-for-the-canadian-economy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 15 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: He's right. http://www.macleans.ca/politics/harper-to-trudeau-canada-is-napping-on-nafta/ He's absolutely right. This is a trade agreement. Where does Trudope get his delusional ideas about gender and aboriginal rights being part of a trade agreement. He should be looking out for Canada and Canadians and not insisting that there can't be an agreement between the US and Canada without including Mexico in the agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 14 hours ago, revrnd said: https://globalnews.ca/news/3828752/quebec-face-covering-ban-support-canada-poll/ Include me in supporting the ban. A friend of mine recently had an issue with a woman in a burka wanting to pay by cheque for merchandise. They do take personalized cheques (name pre-printed on the cheque) with photo ID. She wouldn't show her face and show photo ID that showed her face to prove she was who she said she was. She was claiming religious discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 How hard is it to say 'constitution'? http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pm-says-canada-recognizes-one-united-spain-1.3652479 There have been lots of comments about his inability to speak (no different than Dubya's malapropisms) and why his handlers haven't tried to correct it. Maybe they never saw The King's Speech? Listen to JT babble away inspires absolutely no confidence that he knows what he is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 43 minutes ago, 02sled said: He's absolutely right. This is a trade agreement. Where does Trudope get his delusional ideas about gender and aboriginal rights being part of a trade agreement. He should be looking out for Canada and Canadians and not insisting that there can't be an agreement between the US and Canada without including Mexico in the agreement. Freeland has a Pollyanna view of world trade. "If you're nice to them, they'll be nice to us" seems to be her motto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: Dead cat bounce or as JT calls it sunny ways. http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/behind-morneaus-fiscal-update-boasts-lie-many-scary-signs-for-the-canadian-economy Don Martin was talking to Nik Nanos yesterday http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1244414 All Morneau wanted to talk about after his economic update was the debt to GDP. Does the average Joe (or Jane) on the street really care about that? On the topic of Morneau, have any of you ever worked @ a place where a boss or someone higher up the food chain seemed as insipid as him? To my eyes (and ears) he comes across as the boss would tell you how you were to do something, but you would do it the established method because there would be no repercussions? Edited October 28, 2017 by revrnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 4 hours ago, 02sled said: Include me in supporting the ban. A friend of mine recently had an issue with a woman in a burka wanting to pay by cheque for merchandise. They do take personalized cheques (name pre-printed on the cheque) with photo ID. She wouldn't show her face and show photo ID that showed her face to prove she was who she said she was. She was claiming religious discrimination. so this is why you support the ban? Who exactly are you mad at in this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 5 hours ago, 02sled said: He's absolutely right. This is a trade agreement. Where does Trudope get his delusional ideas about gender and aboriginal rights being part of a trade agreement. He should be looking out for Canada and Canadians and not insisting that there can't be an agreement between the US and Canada without including Mexico in the agreement. do you understand NA means North America? Mexico is a part of that. we could do a Canada / US deal and call it CUT Harper isn't helping matters with his stupid "Canada should cave to Trump" rants - so anti Canadian just like you and rvernd Cheering was expected and right on cue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, 1trailmaker said: so this is why you support the ban? Who exactly are you mad at in this? Not mad at anybody, that's your lame interpretation. I just made reference to one situation that can arise from having your face covered in a world where that is not the norm. The Quebec law refers to having your face covered when dispensing or receiving government services. In an awful lot of those situations proving your identity is key to your eligibility to receive those services. Obviously you support people having their faces covered. Do you also support women being treated as second class people and property. Perhaps you believe that women must provide sex to their husbands on demand whether they want to or not. Perhaps you support the rights of men to beat their wives or daughters for dishonouring them. Maybe even honour killings and stoning are fine in your mind. All part of their cultural beliefs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: do you understand NA means North America? Mexico is a part of that. we could do a Canada / US deal and call it CUT Harper isn't helping matters with his stupid "Canada should cave to Trump" rants - so anti Canadian just like you and rvernd Cheering was expected and right on cue Figures you would be the cheerleader for your hero Trudope. If there can be a trade agreement that is inclusive of Canada US and Mexico fine but for Trudope to take an all or nothing approach is just plain stupid. This is a negotiation and Trudope isn't holding the upper hand. If the US scraps it completely and wants to start from scratch... guess what... that's what will happen. If he can't have an inclusive agreement of all 3 having an agreement between Canada and the US is better than not having one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: do you understand NA means North America? Mexico is a part of that. we could do a Canada / US deal and call it CUT Harper isn't helping matters with his stupid "Canada should cave to Trump" rants - so anti Canadian just like you and rvernd Cheering was expected and right on cue It started without Mexico. Mexico also got a huge trade advantage with import tariffs to help a struggling country. Truth is usa is getting shafted, but not from Mexico or Canada. Canada needs to listen and be sensitive, cause this is not just coming from Trump, even the Dems would have looked at more protectionism. Harper realizes the actual situation. Its high time Trudope and the crying game do as well. Edited October 28, 2017 by ArcticCrusher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, 02sled said: Not mad at anybody, that's your lame interpretation. I just made reference to one situation that can arise from having your face covered in a world where that is not the norm. The Quebec law refers to having your face covered when dispensing or receiving government services. In an awful lot of those situations proving your identity is key to your eligibility to receive those services. Obviously you support people having their faces covered. Do you also support women being treated as second class people and property. Perhaps you believe that women must provide sex to their husbands on demand whether they want to or not. Perhaps you support the rights of men to beat their wives or daughters for dishonouring them. Maybe even honour killings and stoning are fine in your mind. All part of their cultural beliefs Same goes for some ultra orthodox Jews: https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/jewish-sect-lev-tahor-resettles-in-southwestern-ontario/article15571168/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com& http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Ultra-orthodox-Jewish-cult-raided-in-Guatemala-over-suspected-child-abuse-467800 Or the 'leaders' of the religious community of Bountiful BC: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-polygamy-trial-1.4218735 https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/future-of-polygamous-sect-bountiful-bc-unclear-after-criminal-conviction/article33995313/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com& Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 13 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: It started without Mexico. Mexico also got a huge trade advantage with import tariffs to help a struggling country. Truth is usa is getting shafted, but not from Mexico or Canada. Canada needs to listen and be sensitive, cause this is not just coming from Trump, even the Dems would have looked at more protectionism. Harper realizes the actual situation. Its high time Trudope and the crying game do as well. are you really defending a super power? #Harper should shut up - lost badly 2 years ago go away #sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 4 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: are you really defending a super power? #Harper should shut up - lost badly 2 years ago go away #sad Are you really foolish enough to not understand that the US can simply say they are scrapping NAFTA in it's entirety. Your bromance with Trudope can't have you looking through such rose coloured glasses that you really think he could force his own agenda regarding gender and aboriginal rights into a trade agreement with the US. He is a fool to even try. Trudope should wake up and get in touch with reality. Maybe he could get Freeland to wimper on the verge of tears. That should sway the US negotiators for sure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 3 hours ago, 02sled said: Are you really foolish enough to not understand that the US can simply say they are scrapping NAFTA in it's entirety. Your bromance with Trudope can't have you looking through such rose coloured glasses that you really think he could force his own agenda regarding gender and aboriginal rights into a trade agreement with the US. He is a fool to even try. Trudope should wake up and get in touch with reality. Maybe he could get Freeland to wimper on the verge of tears. That should sway the US negotiators for sure. I stated a long time ago while you anti Canadians were bashing Canada that you need to redirect your anger to Trump - now you are seeing it Have you seen the team negotiations? lots of Conservatives If you think the bold has anything to do with this you are not informed - keep reading Harper quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 22 hours ago, 02sled said: Obviously you support people having their faces covered. Do you also support women being treated as second class people and property. Perhaps you believe that women must provide sex to their husbands on demand whether they want to or not. Perhaps you support the rights of men to beat their wives or daughters for dishonouring them. Maybe even honour killings and stoning are fine in your mind. All part of their cultural beliefs And how does this law stop any of what you just said? can't wait to hear this fact is it makes things worse for those women you seen so worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 22 hours ago, 02sled said: Figures you would be the cheerleader for your hero Trudope. If there can be a trade agreement that is inclusive of Canada US and Mexico fine but for Trudope to take an all or nothing approach is just plain stupid. This is a negotiation and Trudope isn't holding the upper hand. If the US scraps it completely and wants to start from scratch... guess what... that's what will happen. If he can't have an inclusive agreement of all 3 having an agreement between Canada and the US is better than not having one. more "just give in to trump" from 02sled I do think Trump and his self serving thinking would cancel a deal and kill many businesses in USA just because he can. The man is very dangerous and you cheer him. To play poker against the one with all the chips and win is done with skill - all you guys would just fold and say you win Donny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Time for Frieland to bring in the heavy artillery, a case of Kleenex tissues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: more "just give in to trump" from 02sled I do think Trump and his self serving thinking would cancel a deal and kill many businesses in USA just because he can. The man is very dangerous and you cheer him. To play poker against the one with all the chips and win is done with skill - all you guys would just fold and say you win Donny No... as usual you don't understand the English language. Only a fool would Fail to realize the reality. A deal with the US and without Mexico is better than NO deal at all. Only a fool would Fail to realize that in a negotiation you don't necessarily get everything you want and make compromises. Only a fool would Fail to realize the US has more clout in this than we do. Trump has said simply NAFTA is not a good deal for the US and it needs to be either scrapped and redone from the ground up or dramatically adjusted. If you think the US is kidding just keep dreaming. The biggest concerns with NAFTA for the Americans is Mexico not Canada. It's time Trudope take care of Canadians and let the Mexicans take care of Mexico. If we can't get a new agreement that includes Mexico.... oh well.... get one between Canada and the US then. Just imagine Trudope trying to impose his agenda for gender into a trade agreement with China... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Time for Frieland to bring in the heavy artillery, a case of Kleenex tissues. That's her strongest tactic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, 02sled said: No... as usual you don't understand the English language. Only a fool would Fail to realize the reality. A deal with the US and without Mexico is better than NO deal at all. Only a fool would Fail to realize that in a negotiation you don't necessarily get everything you want and make compromises. Only a fool would Fail to realize the US has more clout in this than we do. Trump has said simply NAFTA is not a good deal for the US and it needs to be either scrapped and redone from the ground up or dramatically adjusted. If you think the US is kidding just keep dreaming. The biggest concerns with NAFTA for the Americans is Mexico not Canada. It's time Trudope take care of Canadians and let the Mexicans take care of Mexico. If we can't get a new agreement that includes Mexico.... oh well.... get one between Canada and the US then. Just imagine Trudope trying to impose his agenda for gender into a trade agreement with China... LETS CAVE TO THE DONNY we have better cards than you give us credit for - you play poker with your cards showing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: LETS CAVE TO THE DONNY we have better cards than you give us credit for - you play poker with your cards showing Caving in is unwilling to accept a deal that must include a tri-lateral agreement with Mexico. Ie one of the main points that got Trump elected. Good luck with that. Edited October 29, 2017 by ArcticCrusher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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