Democrats are wasting America's time on impeachment

[Pete]

(CNN)Let me skip to the end: The Democratic-majority US House of Representatives, in partisan fashion, is all but certain to impeach President Donald Trump. The Republican-majority Senate, in partisan fashion, will almost certainly acquit him. And the net result will be that Democrats will have abused the US Constitution to satisfy political passions instead of approaching impeachment as the solemn act the framers intended.

 

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Let's be honest. The Democrats were always going to do this. From the minute we realized on election night that Donald Trump had won, they began fantasizing about nullifying the election results. Indeed, in the weeks leading up to the 2016 election, the Democrats' biggest concern was that Trump would not accept the outcome -- a Hillary Clinton win, of course! -- of which they were quite certain.

And as it turns out, it was the Democrats who had no intention of accepting it. How odd that they have again become what they claim to detest about Trump.

 

 

 

Over the last three years, the desire to impeach Trump among rank-and-file Democrats has only grown with each outrage, real or manufactured. Even as weak as political parties are these days, one thing remains true -- politicians nearly always do what their parties want them to do.

When Republicans took control of Congress, they cut taxes because the members of their party wanted them to. The fantasy for grassroots Democrats -- made possible when the party gained a House majority in the 2018 midterm -- was to impeach the President. Today you can listen to the Democrats on your average cable panel claiming their party cares most about health care and social justice. But that's baloney, as they care principally about one thing -- getting rid of Donald Trump as soon as possible.

 

 

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On impeachment strategy, Pelosi gets an A, Trump an F

So here we are with our partisan vote Thursday to approve a resolution setting rules for impeachment, and the process now underway at the direction of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. For months, Democrat talking heads portrayed Pelosi as a reluctant participant in this charade, someone who was restraining her party's most stridently anti-Trump elements. Poppycock. In my view, she was destined to do this, and this Ukrainian business was simply her last chance before voters began casting ballots in the 2020 election.

Democrats have failed to galvanize public opinion to the view that Trump's controversial July 25 phone conversation with the Ukrainian president was an impeachable offense. The latest polling shows that Democrats think it is impeachable and Republicans don't, and that voters in swing states aren't on board with this yet. In other words, the people who already wanted to impeach Trump are willing to throw any log onto the impeachment fire, no matter how wet the wood is. But virtually no one else is joining in.

The most vocal Trump haters frequently bemoan the lack of "profiles in courage" among Republicans, demanding that someone -- anyone -- defy their party to impeach the President.

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I might ask: where is the Democratic profile in courage, someone willing to stand up to Nancy Pelosi and call the House impeachment what it is: a norm-obliterating, kangaroo court, run by a party that apparently has little confidence in its ability to beat Trump in the next election?

 

I doubt Trump loses any Republican votes in the Senate during his all-but-certain impeachment trial. And the numerous Senate Democrats running for president will be screaming about it, torn every day between showing up for jury duty and campaigning in Iowa.

In the end, Pelosi is doing nothing but checking a box for the most partisan people in her party. There will be nothing to show for it but wasted time and a diversion of the nation's political conversation away from issues that real people care about.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/31/opinions/democrats-are-wasting-americas-time-on-impeachment-jennings/index.html

 

 

Edited November 1, 2019 by Pete

[Mainecat]

Lol

[Edmo]

1 minute ago, Mainecat said:

Lol

What’s so funny? Do you think the senate will impeach him? 

Anyone with a functioning cranium can see this is a huge waste of time and for partisan purposes only.

[frenchy]

4 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Lol

pretty funny they are the party you support and for the entire duration of his administration to date they have wasted time and resources and shifted the focus of what government should be doing to boogiemen and witch hunts, and will fail gloriously once again on their latest one.

As the article states - the dems were always going to do this. Fucking petulant children.

Edited November 1, 2019 by frenchy

[Mainecat]

50 minutes ago, frenchy said:

pretty funny they are the party you support and for the entire duration of his administration to date they have wasted time and resources and shifted the focus of what government should be doing to boogiemen and witch hunts, and will fail gloriously once again on their latest one.

As the article states - the dems were always going to do this. Fucking petulant children.

So Nixon and Clinton’s Impeachment investigations were not warranted as well?

From our constitution....

Article 2, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 

Trump as president of the US was withholding US tax dollars as a bribe for info on a possible adversary in the coming election.

Thats bribery and possible treason and requires investigation BY LAW!

 

Edited November 1, 2019 by Mainecat

[washedupmxer]

[frenchy]

1 minute ago, Mainecat said:

So Nixon and Clinton’s Impeachment investigations were not warranted as well?

From our constitution....

Article 2, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 

Trump as president of the US was withholding US tax dollars as a bribe for info on a possible adversary in the coming election.

Thats bribery and possible treason and requires investigation BY LAW!

 

the evidence of said crime is as weak as momo's evidence of owning a helicopter and a warehouse full of classic automobiles.

just because the dems want him to be convicted of the crime they can't prove it, so it's another massive waste of time, resources and money.

[Sleepr2]

3 minutes ago, frenchy said:

the evidence of said crime is as weak as momo's evidence of owning a helicopter and a warehouse full of classic automobiles.

just because the dems want him to be convicted of the crime they can't prove it, so it's another massive waste of time, resources and money.

McLiar , like many liberals, thinks that beating Shrillery is an impeachable offense.

hes also stupid enough to think impeaching trump will put Shrillery in the White House 

[Guest]

God, I can't stand Pelosi licking her lower teeth, and repeating the bullshit about THE CONSTITUTION for the American people!!  

Just fuckin' impeach his orange head, and send it to the Senate! 

Why do they have to constantly try to convince the people that Trump is guilty...……...just do it!!

Well, this is politics. Ungodly anger, hatred, and competition for power. 

[Ez ryder]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

Lol

what is funny ? you think this impechemt is going to happen then man up . call it 500 bucks ? 

Donald will be your president untill election day . then if you wish I will go dubbel or nothing 

[Mainecat]

30 minutes ago, frenchy said:

the evidence of said crime is as weak as momo's evidence of owning a helicopter and a warehouse full of classic automobiles.

just because the dems want him to be convicted of the crime they can't prove it, so it's another massive waste of time, resources and money.

It’s been collaborated by many witnesses so far.....even Trump provided evidence.

Due process.   

[Mainecat]

When the heat is turned up Trump will walk away. He walks away from everything and he will claim victory like the mental defective he has alays been.

[Sleepr2]

5 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

It’s been collaborated by many witnesses so far.....even Trump provided evidence.

Due process.   

Witnesses that are second or third hand getting their talking points from shifty or are anonymous. 
 

Edited November 1, 2019 by Sleepr2

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, frenchy said:

pretty funny they are the party you support and for the entire duration of his administration to date they have wasted time and resources and shifted the focus of what government should be doing to boogiemen and witch hunts, and will fail gloriously once again on their latest one.

As the article states - the dems were always going to do this. Fucking petulant children.

Bam!  End thread.

[frenchy]

13 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

It’s been collaborated by many witnesses so far.....even Trump provided evidence.

Due process.   

collaborated eh? So they all worked together to ensure they have the same story is what you are saying?  

[Pete]

1 minute ago, frenchy said:

collaborated eh? So they all worked together to ensure they have the same story is what you are saying?  

closed doors and no republicans allowed.

Yeah collaberated

[Jimmy Snacks]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

closed doors and no republicans allowed.

Yeah collaberated

Take it up with The Constitution if you don’t like it. Granted I’m not an advocate for impeachment but they aren’t violating any laws or procedures.

[spin_dry]

Not wasting my time. I think it’s great. 

[Mainecat]

5 hours ago, Pete said:

closed doors and no republicans allowed.

Yeah collaberated

Not true...do your homework before opening your FOX news kool aid mouth.

Like the Clinton investigation behind closed doors.

[steve from amherst]

3 hours ago, spin_dry said:

Not wasting my time. I think it’s great. 

It is great , keeps em too busy to be working on fucking up something I may like.

[spin_dry]

1 hour ago, steve from amherst said:

It is great , keeps em too busy to be working on fucking up something I may like.

True. It’s entertaining too. 

[DriftBusta]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

Not true...do your homework before opening your FOX news kool aid mouth.

Like the Clinton investigation behind closed doors.

My daily Wall Street reading down the middle mouth thinks people who live in glass houses oughta quit throwing stones, cuz you’ve been wrong since day one about all of it, and today is no different.

[Sleepr2]

9 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Take it up with The Constitution if you don’t like it. Granted I’m not an advocate for impeachment but they aren’t violating any laws or procedures.

You really are a complete moron, 

[Guest]

This country sucks so bad. We will never see good days ahead, no matter who is president. It will ALWAYS be a close race, no matter who runs. We are permanently divided. 

Nice woods, rivers, mountains, oceans, but way too many people suck. They simply suck in America.

We have one of the highest fukkin' crime rates in the world. The m/v accidents I see online and in the news are appalling...…………….people running off the road into pedestrians, into houses, into school buses, into buildings, everywhere, NO ONE IS SAFE!!!

The American people are imploding………...alcohol, drugs, mental illness, you name it. 

Too many Americans are simply no fukkin' good. 

[XCR1250]

1. The House can pass articles of impeachment over the objections of the

Republicans, and refer to the Senate for trial.

2. The Senate will conduct a trial. There will be a vote, and the Republicans will vote unanimously, along with a small number of Democrats, to not convict the President. Legally, it will all be over at that point.

3. However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President's attorneys will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THEY WANT.. That is different than the special counsel investigation, which was very one-sided.

 

So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazile, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing cover up activities.

A lot of dirt will be dug up; a lot of truth will be unveiled. Finger pointing will occur. Deals will start being made, and suddenly, a lot of democrats will start being charged and going to prison.

All this, because, remember, the President's team will now, for the first time, have the RIGHT to question all of these people under oath – and they will turn on each other. That is already starting.

 

4. Lastly, one more thing will happen, the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans believe that being impeached results in removal from office. They don't understand that phase 2 is a trial in and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans; they will determine what testimony is allowed -- and **everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up and destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information.

They will incriminate each other for lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political actors, especially George Soros. After the Senate declines to convict the President, we will have an election, and Trump will win. It will be a backlash against democrat petulance, temper tantrums, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Even minorities will vote for Trump, because, for the first time, they will see that democrats have spent 2+ years focused on maintaining their own power, and not doing anything at all about black murders in Chicago, homelessness, opioids, and other important issues that are actually killing people. And, we will spend the following four years listening to politicians and pundits claim that the whole impeachment was rigged.

 

So let's move on to impeachment.

 

Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD