spin_dry Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted July 24, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted July 24, 2019 Its been a while since I had to read the document but I don't believe any economic system is specifically referenced in the US Constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Logic mandates capitalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Duke KaBoom said: Logic mandates capitalism Well, logic and “Life, liberty and the pursuit happiness”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im4snow Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 4 hours ago, spin_dry said: ???? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Capitalism isn't life, liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness though... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Capitalism isn't life, liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness though... Neal It can be. Depends on how you want to look at it. But, from an angle of not wanting, not knowing or incapable of finding any of those, I see your point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 24, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Capitalism isn't life, liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness though... Neal Hey you're dealing with some serious Constitutional experts here...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Capitalism by it's very nature infringes upon life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I don't see how it could hold out to a strict interpretation of the clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Capitalism by it's very nature infringes upon life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I don't see how it could hold out to a strict interpretation of the clause. Only for those that don’t want to be a part of that economic system. And even then, they are choosing to be the victims of it. They are not forced to stay in this system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, Zambroski said: It can be. Depends on how you want to look at it. But, from an angle of not wanting, not knowing or incapable of finding any of those, I see your point. Too subjective. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Too subjective. Neal It was supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Well, the OP question asked about the Constitution and then somehow, inexplicably, everyone argues over the implications of a famous phrase not found in the Constitution - bizarre or FS normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 what better aligns with 'the pursuit of happiness' than capitalism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: what better aligns with 'the pursuit of happiness' than capitalism? Swedes are pretty happy people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: what better aligns with 'the pursuit of happiness' than capitalism? “Pursuit of happiness” isn’t in the Constitution though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said: Well, the OP question asked about the Constitution and then somehow, inexplicably, everyone argues over the implications of a famous phrase not found in the Constitution - bizarre or FS normal? I was wondering if someone would catch that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, frenchy said: what better aligns with 'the pursuit of happiness' than capitalism? When your personal pursuit infringes upon the 'life, liberty, and pursuit' of others, as capitalism clearly does, well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: When your personal pursuit infringes upon the 'life, liberty, and pursuit' of others, as capitalism clearly does, well... Historically communism has been way worse for that though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Swedes are pretty happy people. Thanks capitalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 25, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Swedes are pretty happy people. They practice a more free form of capitalism than we do. Just because they have significant social programs doesn't mean they aren't capitalist. Edited July 25, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: They practice a more free form of capitalism than we do. Just because they have significant social programs doesn't mean they aren't capitalist. I think thpin was taking a racist shot at minorities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said: “Pursuit of happiness” isn’t in the Constitution though. That didn't matter. The OP question was rhetorical..and kinda dumb. The question was modified to ask what may mandate capitalism within a few posts. And while the DoI is a different document, both of them work hand-in-hand with each other. SO, the debate of the "pursuit of happiness" being a part of an economic mandate, and Capitalism fulfilling it, is a solid argument. 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I was wondering if someone would catch that... Yes, this is believable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Zambroski said: That didn't matter. The OP question was rhetorical..and kinda dumb. The question was modified to ask what may mandate capitalism within a few posts. And while the DoI is a different document, both of them work hand-in-hand with each other. SO, the debate of the "pursuit of happiness" being a part of an economic mandate, and Capitalism fulfilling it, is a solid argument. Yes, this is believable. I totally get your frustration and can agree to the "loaded question" description as presented by the OP. Before we could even attempt to apply the text of the Constitution we'd first have to define a few things. Firstly, what is socialism, what is capitalism, do any current countries really have a pure form of either?, which countries "self-describe" themselves as socialist but in all reality aren't?, are communism and socialism interchangeable terms?....and on...and on...and on. The sheer thought of taking a trip down that rabbit hole of fuckery? No thanks - I think you'd agree. Edited July 25, 2019 by XC.Morrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, XC.Morrison said: I totally get your frustration and can agree to the "loaded question" description as presented by the OP. Before we could even attempt to apply the text of the Constitution we'd first have to define a few things. Firstly, what is socialism, what is capitalism, do any current countries really have a pure form of either?, which countries "self-describe" themselves as socialist but in all reality aren't?....and on...and on...and on. The sheer thought of taking a trip down that rabbit hole of fuckery? No thanks - I think you'd agree. My "frustration"? The Constitution (or the DoI) was not intended to depict the "correct" economic system but, using the terms of these documents, an outline can be established as to why Capitism is the best fit. Now, it's not perfect...far from it. But, it meets the goals of the majority. Capitalism, BY FAR, permits more happiness than any other system. It also raises more out of poverty and horrid conditions than any other system. It is also the least government oppressive of any other system allowing citizens with desire to work and create their own successes without punishment....this is debatable because of taxes but, capitalism also allows for the most amount of socialistic plans to help others using those taxes so, another plus for the Capitalistic system. Socialism has, by far, become the means for a governing power to interfere with free will and success in those that want it. It puts the power in the hands of the government who then decides who shall "succeed" under it's own terms only if government maintains the power over such. It does this all under the lie of "the greater good". If power corrupts, history shows us that countries entering a purely socialist system easily lead to an completely authoritative regime (socialism/communism is not possible without it) where all power is concentrated in the governing bodies without any recourse by citizens and certainly no unbiased oversight. History has also shown us the mass failures of this system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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