Rod Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: "New evidence". Hey, have you guys tried these new fangled ball point pens? Pretty cool indeed! It’s not like it says it was the Romans who actually did it right in the bible the jews lobbied to have him killed. But pontius pilate was the one who had to rubber stamp it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, DUMPY said: It’s not like it says it was the Romans who actually did it right in the bible the jews lobbied to have him killed. But pontius pilate was the one who had to rubber stamp it It’s like they only chose to only be experts and defenders of Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, DUMPY said: It’s not like it says it was the Romans who actually did it right in the bible the jews lobbied to have him killed. But pontius pilate was the one who had to rubber stamp it Correct..I knew that when I was 5 years old, it's not new news.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 Ignorance is bliss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: Correct..I knew that when I was 5 years old, it's not new news.. Which of the four versions in the Bible did you know at 5? The 3 versions that indicated varying recollections of the Senhidren trial taking place, or the version which has it not happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted April 28, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Ignorance is bliss What new evidence do you speak of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, spin_dry said: Which of the four versions in the Bible did you know at 5? The 3 versions that indicated varying recollections of the Senhidren trial taking place, or the version which has it not happening? The Jews were not allowed to have trials and not allowed to execute anyone. Read your Bible if you have 1.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, XCR1250 said: The Jews were not allowed to have trials and not allowed to execute anyone. Read your Bible if you have 1.. Especially the part where it describes how to manage your slaves! And the part about taking the virgins as spoils of genocide. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Or following the voices in your head to murder your child! Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Or following the voices in your head to murder your child! Neal That's god talking you dumb fuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 28, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 28, 2019 Well he was mentioned by the Romans and the Jews not long after he was crucified Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 45 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: The Jews were not allowed to have trials and not allowed to execute anyone. Read your Bible if you have 1.. You do understand that their were supposedly two trials of Jesus? One trial was religious by the priests and scribes and the other secular. The church trial supposedly found him guilty of a number of violations of church doctrine in all three books except john’s. It’s that trial which is now in doubt. A truth that was manipulated by the romans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, spin_dry said: You do understand that their were supposedly two trials of Jesus? One trial was religious by the priests and scribes and the other secular. The church trial supposedly found him guilty of a number of violations of church doctrine in all three books except john’s. It’s that trial which is now in doubt. A truth that was manipulated by the romans. The truth isn’t really in any version of the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well he was mentioned by the Romans and the Jews not long after he was crucified 60-80 years after... Some Roman documents are also understood to be Christian modified, if not outright forgeries. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kivalo said: What new evidence do you speak of? There was a dig in the southern part of the city. It was considered to be at the site of an old ottoman prison. During the dig a number of levels were unearthed. Several structures were built on top of the other. In the lower part of the dig a chamber was identified as belonging to King Herod. It’s in rather pristine condition. The one unanswered question for 2000 years was where his trial by the romans was held. Apparently they’ve found it. Additionally, there’s countless discrepancies about the trial of Jesus by the church. The book of John never mentioned it. That was a very odd thing for John to have left out such a relevant piece while describing the events during that week of Passover. The one main problem of this story is the timing of the church trial. It supposedly occurred at night. That was impossible. The priests and scribes couldn’t meet at night. That was sacrilege. So this puts a large hole in the story. Did Barnabas even exist? That remains a huge point of contention. What Pontius supposedly was did was pure political genius. Pontius was known as a muck. A big dummy. His job was at the pit of political disparity. Edited April 28, 2019 by spin_dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: 60-80 years after... Some Roman documents are also understood to be Christian modified, if not outright forgeries. Neal Exactly. The romans wanted to lay the death of Jesus at the feet of the church. In reality they just wanted to be done with him before the Passover crowds showed up. He could’ve spelled trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: There was a dig in the southern part of the city. It was considered to be at the site of an old ottoman prison. During the dig a number of levels were unearthed. Several structures were built on top of the other. In the lower part of the dig a chamber was identified as belonging to King Herod. It’s in rather pristine condition. The one unanswered question for 2000 years was where his trial by the romans was held. Apparently they’ve found it. Additionally, there’s countless discrepancies about the trial of Jesus by the church. The book of John never mentioned it. That was a very odd thing for John to have left out such a relevant piece while describing the events during that week of Passover. The one main problem of this story timing of the church trial. It supposedly occurred at night. That was impossible. The priests and scribes couldn’t meet at night. That was sacrilege. So this puts a large hole in the story. Did Barnabas even exist? That remains a huge point of contention. What Pontius supposedly was did was pure political genius. Pontius was known as a muck. A big dummy. His job was at the pit of political disparity. Yah the docket was on the wall outside the courtroom "King of Jew Trial at 10:30" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Zambroski said: The truth isn’t really in any version of the Bible. The archeological evidence doesn’t seem to back it up. So perhaps this myth of the church being responsible for his death is just that. Bullshit. That would be a rather significant artifact given that antisemitism was built, for the most part, on the back of that piece of the “historical record”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 So we’re in agreement. The romans killed Jesus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, DUMPY said: So we’re in agreement. The romans killed Jesus. At the behest of the Jews (if the stories are true, which seems to be a 50/50 proposition). Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DUMPY said: So we’re in agreement. The romans killed Jesus. Yep. Three books in the Bible lied. The church didn’t turn Jesus over to the authorities. At least John got something right. Edited April 28, 2019 by spin_dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, spin_dry said: The archeological evidence doesn’t seem to back it up. So perhaps this myth of the church being responsible for his death is just that. Bullshit. That would be a rather significant artifact given that antisemitism was built, for the most part, on the back of that piece of the “historical record”. The theory that seems more realistic to me and what I’ve chosen to believe is that Jesus was eventually put to death for the continued mocking and ridicule of the Roman aristocrats and soldiers after being warned time and time and time again. They thought he was just an insane peasant with a small group of crazies following him. How could they have known? If you love Jesus, thank the Romans, without them, there is no martyr in which to write substantial stories about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted April 28, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: The theory that seems more realistic to me and what I’ve chosen to believe is that Jesus was eventually put to death for the continued mocking and ridicule of the Roman aristocrats and soldiers after being warned time and time and time again. They thought he was just an insane peasant with a small group of crazies following him. How could they have known? If you love Jesus, thank the Romans, without them, there is no martyr in which to write substantial stories about. April 28th 2019 1836 local time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, spin_dry said: The archeological evidence doesn’t seem to back it up. So perhaps this myth of the church being responsible for his death is just that. Bullshit. That would be a rather significant artifact given that antisemitism was built, for the most part, on the back of that piece of the “historical record”. "Church" is a Christian thing you are a shitforbrains and this is just more proof and another example of you have ZERO clue about anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Yep. Three books in the Bible lied. The church didn’t turn Jesus over to the authorities. At least John got something right. So we’ve known the entire time the romans killed Jesus and it’s common knowledge with Christians. Congrats on your awakening tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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