Effectiveness of border barriers

[Snoslinger]

1 hour ago, AKIQPilot said:

 Nice try but........Neither of those links back up your claim that only 35% of illegal immigrants come through the southern boarder. 

Visa overstays make up the majority of illegals. No where does the article say that these  overstays did not come from the southern boarder.  The article was inconclusive as to where these overstays originated from.

Any more “facts” you’d like to share with us?

from the first link, racer jr. 

"Two-thirds of those who joined the undocumented population did so by entering with a valid visa and then overstaying their period of admission, the center repored."

 

[Snoslinger]

1 hour ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Why would that matter? They are lawfully given a visa which means they lawfully entered the country. Which means, the border wall would have zero bearing on their entrance to this country as they would be entering through a legal port of entry. The overstays are irrelevant to a border wall conversation. The only relevant number would then be the 33% of those who are not overstays which would mean they illegally entered through either the southern border, northern border, or through a port of entry such as in a truck trailer or shipping container. 

Maybe explain to me why you think overstays are relevant to the border wall? 

disregard racer jr, he's playing again. 

Edited January 2, 2019 by Snoslinger

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

1 hour ago, AKIQPilot said:

All of that is irrelevent to your claim that only 35% cross the southern border. 

 

Why is it that the people who are most opposed to a fence or wall are snot nosed liberals who live thousands of miles away and dont have the first fucking clue what towns are dealing with on  the southern border?  

Why didn’t you answer my question? Why do legally entering visa holders have any impact on the border wall debate? 

Here is another one... Why are Texas Republicans that aren’t operating on the federal level the most against a wall? 

[AKIQPilot]

45 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Why didn’t you answer my question? Why do legally entering visa holders have any impact on the border wall debate? 

Here is another one... Why are Texas Republicans that aren’t operating on the federal level the most against a wall? 

I never claimed they did.  

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

29 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

I never claimed they did.  

Then why do you keep bringing it up? Why keep asking if those overstays came from the southern border? If 66% are coming in legally and staying. That means 33% are illegally crossing either the North border, South border, or coming through a ship. That’s the facts. Sorry if you are having trouble making your round narrative fit in the square hole that is your reasoning.... 

 

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

2 hours ago, AKIQPilot said:

 

 

Why is it that the people who are most opposed to a fence or wall are snot nosed liberals who live thousands of miles away and dont have the first fucking clue what towns are dealing with on  the southern border?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/amp/Poll-Texas-voters-oppose-border-walll-12847966.php

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/texas-republicans-oppose-monolithic-border-wall-1487810283

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/6619725C-F961-11E6-A40C-9321348D62AF

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/podcasts/hillcast/373240-texas-gop-lawmaker-trump-wall-expensive-and-least-effective-security-plan%3famp

I guess you should tell those snot nose liberals far from the border to get a clue. Whoops, nope, those are Texas Republicans...

You won’t read those anyway.. Too busy making logical fallacies to let facts, polling, and common sense to get in the way. 

[Jimmy Snacks]

17 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/amp/Poll-Texas-voters-oppose-border-walll-12847966.php

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/texas-republicans-oppose-monolithic-border-wall-1487810283

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/6619725C-F961-11E6-A40C-9321348D62AF

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/podcasts/hillcast/373240-texas-gop-lawmaker-trump-wall-expensive-and-least-effective-security-plan%3famp

I guess you should tell those snot nose liberals far from the border to get a clue. Whoops, nope, those are Texas Republicans...

You won’t read those anyway.. Too busy making logical fallacies to let facts, polling, and common sense to get in the way. 

He isn't the only one that won't read those....there are more than a few hacks around here with their heads up Trumps ass. 

[revkevsdi]

6 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Center for Migration Studies, have similarly estimated that visa overstays account for about two-thirds of the total number of people joining the undocumented population in any given year

2/3= 66% 

100%-66%= 33%(Crossing illegally)

Overstays arent illegally crossing the border. They may be legally crossing with a visa, but that is irrelevant to a conversation on the wall since they would be entering through a port of entry, LEGALLY. 

Did you read the article? Again, I’m posting facts that you guys are willfully just ignoring or trying to twist. Illegal crossings are down 90% since 2000. 

Next?...

Being 90% down is huge. What problem has any government solved by 90%?

if Trump reduced illegal immigration by 90% he’d be crowing about it every day. 

[xtralettucetomatoe580]

2 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

Being 90% down is huge. What problem has any government solved by 90%?

if Trump reduced illegal immigration by 90% he’d be crowing about it every day. 

In Trump’s defense illegal immigration across the southern border has dropped significantly during his time. 

Mr Trump's first year in office in 2017, arrests of migrants illegally crossing the US-Mexico border were down at 303,916, compared with 408,870 in President Barack Obama's last year. While illegal crossings cannot be accurately counted, border arrests are used as a measure of illegal border crossings.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44319094

That is a pretty significant drop as Trump did increase the amount of personnel at the border. Just goes to show the effect that personnel over barriers can have. That should be the focus. 

[revkevsdi]

1 hour ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

In Trump’s defense illegal immigration across the southern border has dropped significantly during his time. 

Mr Trump's first year in office in 2017, arrests of migrants illegally crossing the US-Mexico border were down at 303,916, compared with 408,870 in President Barack Obama's last year. While illegal crossings cannot be accurately counted, border arrests are used as a measure of illegal border crossings.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44319094

That is a pretty significant drop as Trump did increase the amount of personnel at the border. Just goes to show the effect that personnel over barriers can have. That should be the focus. 

What I think is significant is that Trump sold his minions on a lie. Illegal immigration was 1/10th the issue it was in 2,000. He had his Trumpsters convinced it was a huge problem that was worthy of a 20 billion dollar wall. 

if you could reduce the debt, mass shootings, welfare rolls or any major issue by 90% and then the next guy comes along and complains that they are still huge problems, you’d know he was an idiot. 

[ViperGTS/Z1]

22 hours ago, Polaris 550 said:

Blacks and latinos are getting POLITICALLY ARMED!!!!

They are running for offices, and supporting their racial candidates. 

Whites are in the fukken crosshairs. They hate us. Trust me, they hate us. 

550...I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the black community to our society.

 Their peaceful and generous nature make them ideal neighbors...... lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools ....and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people.

Real estate values are fueled by the mix of African Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nature of these communities, an example of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self-improvement by hard work and self-reliant can- do nature.

Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation.

[Zambroski]

9 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

550...I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the black community to our society.

 Their peaceful and generous nature make them ideal neighbors...... lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools ....and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people.

Real estate values are fueled by the mix of African Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nature of these communities, an example of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self-improvement by hard work and self-reliant can- do nature.

Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation.

Wow.  I’m 100% surr you’re a racist now.  And you may also be a “Q”...but I don’t know what that means.   

 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

550...I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the black community to our society.

 Their peaceful and generous nature make them ideal neighbors...... lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools ....and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people.

Real estate values are fueled by the mix of African Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nature of these communities, an example of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self-improvement by hard work and self-reliant can- do nature.

Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[XC.Morrison]

 

[Ez ryder]

On 1/2/2019 at 11:53 AM, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Then why do you keep bringing it up? Why keep asking if those overstays came from the southern border? If 66% are coming in legally and staying. That means 33% are illegally crossing either the North border, South border, or coming through a ship. That’s the facts. Sorry if you are having trouble making your round narrative fit in the square hole that is your reasoning.... 

 

you have no idea,how many cross illigaly a guess is all they have .

just do the math if the low ball number is 350k a yr . then in the 4 yrs Trump is in office that is 1400000.

now add obomas and 2 yrs of bush  numbers to that

350000

x.    10

3500000

+1400000

4500000 so yeah in just 14 yrs the population of MN has prob crossed ilegaly.  not even close to acceptable. 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2019 by Ez ryder

[ViperGTS/Z1]

Bottom line if you listened to Trump's address yesterday when he had the  Border agents present. .....They want the wall ,they need the wall and they say the Wall Works exceptionally well where it is already in place.

 I will gladly trust the opinion of those that are there day in and day out and know what's going on at our borders. They are the real experts. Give them their wall.

 It's a shame the Democrats are just using this as polarizing political rhetoric simply due to their hatred of Trump....  They were all for it just a few years ago....phony bastids.

[Pete]

13 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

Bottom line if you listened to Trump's address yesterday when he had the  Border agents present. .....They want the wall ,they need the wall and they say the Wall Works exceptionally well where it is already in place.

 I will gladly trust the opinion of those that are there day in and day out and know what's going on at our borders. They are the real experts. Give them their wall.

 It's a shame the Democrats are just using this as polarizing political rhetoric simply due to their hatred of Trump....  They were all for it just a few years ago....phony bastids.

that is exactly what this is about

[racer254]

36 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

Bottom line if you listened to Trump's address yesterday when he had the  Border agents present. .....They want the wall ,they need the wall and they say the Wall Works exceptionally well where it is already in place.

 I will gladly trust the opinion of those that are there day in and day out and know what's going on at our borders. They are the real experts. Give them their wall.

 It's a shame the Democrats are just using this as polarizing political rhetoric simply due to their hatred of Trump....  They were all for it just a few years ago....phony bastids.

Hopefully many see this for what it is.

[XC.Morrison]

3 hours ago, racer254 said:

Hopefully many see this for what it is.

Democrats showing some backbone instead of kowtowing to His Obstinancy.  

[racer254]

20 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said:

Democrats showing some backbone instead of kowtowing to His Obstinancy.  

 

3 hours ago, racer254 said:

Hopefully many see this for what it is.

Oh look, one that doesn't get it.

Next

[SnowRider]

2 hours ago, racer254 said:

 

Oh look, one that doesn't get it.

Next

You’re so dumb it hurts  

[Highmark]

What do they know.  

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/

The findings, shared with The Washington Times, appear to undercut the argument of congressional Democrats, who released a report last month concluding that line agents didn’t support Mr. Trump’s plans for a wall. The report was based on an internal tool used by Homeland Security to evaluate security gaps.

The NBPC’s survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, found just the opposite: A stunning 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent disagreed.

[SnowRider]

51 minutes ago, Highmark said:

What do they know.  

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/

The findings, shared with The Washington Times, appear to undercut the argument of congressional Democrats, who released a report last month concluding that line agents didn’t support Mr. Trump’s plans for a wall. The report was based on an internal tool used by Homeland Security to evaluate security gaps.

The NBPC’s survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, found just the opposite: A stunning 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent disagreed.

They know you’re choking on Dumps bone 👍

[Jimmy Snacks]

5 hours ago, racer254 said:

 

Oh look, one that doesn't get it.

Next

Tell the class the story again about how farmers and the like use fences and how it's the same as a border wall...that was some good reading. 😂

[SnowRider]

@racer254