Dump Lies To Justin.....and Admits It...

[SnowRider]

 Dumpers are dumber than Dump 

Trump says he made up trade claims in meeting with Trudeau

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump boasted at a private fundraiser Wednesday of making up trade claims during a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau before knowing whether they were true.

"Trudeau came to see me. He's a good guy, Justin. He said, 'No, no, we have no trade deficit with you, we have none. Donald, please,'" Trump said during a speech to donors in Missouri, according to audio obtained by The Washington Post and confirmed to CNN by an attendee. "Nice guy, good-looking guy, comes in — 'Donald, we have no trade deficit.' He's very proud because everybody else, you know, we're getting killed."

He continued: "I said, 'Wrong, Justin, you do.' I didn't even know. ... I had no idea. I just said, 'You're wrong,'" Trump recalled. "You know why? Because we're so stupid. ... And I thought they were smart. I said, 'You're wrong, Justin.' He said, 'Nope, we have no trade deficit.' I said, 'Well, in that case, I feel differently,' I said, 'but I don't believe it.'"

Trump said he asked an aide to check if he was correct in telling Trudeau the US runs a trade deficit with Canada.

"I sent one of our guys out, his guy, my guy, they went out, I said, 'Check, because I can't believe it,'" Trump said. 

"'Well, sir, you're actually right. We have no deficit, but that doesn't include energy and timber. ... And when you do, we lose $17 billion a year.' It's incredible."

According to figures provided by the Commerce Department, the US ran a $2.77 billion surplus with Canada for 2017. That figure includes oil and timber. It's unclear what Trump was referring to with the $17 billion figure.

Trump doubled down on his claim Thursday morning.

"We do have a Trade Deficit with Canada, as we do with almost all countries (some of them massive). P.M. Justin Trudeau of Canada, a very good guy, doesn't like saying that Canada has a Surplus vs. the U.S.(negotiating), but they do...they almost all do...and that's how I know!" he tweeted.

Trump has similarly boasted about pressing Trudeau about the US's supposed trade imbalance with Canada before, most recently at a December rally in Pensacola, Florida. But he didn't include the "I didn't even know" reference, and it's unclear whether it was an admission that he made up the claim.

Trump's comments came during a half-hour speech to raise money for Republican Senate candidate Josh Hawley, who's challenging Missouri Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill.

During the fundraiser, Trump also called the North American Free Trade Agreement a disaster and blamed the World Trade Organization for allowing other nations to box in the US on trade.

The President mocked other politicians for supporting NAFTA, attacking Mexico as "spoiled" and arguing that Canada had outsmarted the US, the Post reported.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/15/politics/trump-trudeau-trade-meeting/index.html

[Rod]

You guys really need to coordinate who posts what they see on DU on what days. Lots of duplicate butthurt threads 

[steve from amherst]

LATE TO THE PARTY , DIDNT BRING BEER, WILL END UP BANGING THE FAT CHIC.

[Skidooski]

@SnowRider Always coming in last place   

[revkevsdi]

crooked Trump. 

What do you do if a business person you are dealing with constantly lies?

 

[SnowRider]

Comments from the Clown Posse or Canadian Clown Posse  

[Zambroski]

Lol.  Another fail thread by the site's face of Librul Dunning-Kruger.

 

[Snake]

51 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

crooked Trump. 

What do you do if a business person you are dealing with constantly lies?

 

Don't do business with them.

So. Whatcha gonna do?

[oleroule]

[revkevsdi]

58 minutes ago, Snake said:

Don't do business with them.

So. Whatcha gonna do?

Exactly. What is the point of negotiating in good faith with someone who brags about lying?

i find it funny that Trump brags about lying to his closest allie.

Trumpsters response:  “there are two threads on this subject!  I’m triggered “

 

[Zambroski]

6 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

Exactly. What is the point of negotiating in good faith with someone who brags about lying?

i find it funny that Trump brags about lying to his closest allie.

Trumpsters response:  “there are two threads on this subject!  I’m triggered “

 

So now you are Trump's closest *ally?  Oh...your posts sure seem to tell something considerably different.  Trudeau is going to sink your boat.  Do something about it.

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, oleroule said:

 

[spin_dry]

Trump lie? How can that be? He’s supported by Jesus people. 

[Highmark]

These trade statistics seem to be all over the place.   

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262851/trade-balance-of-goods-in-canada/

 

[revkevsdi]

6 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

So now you are Trump's closest *ally?  Oh...your posts sure seem to tell something considerably different.  Trudeau is going to sink your boat.  Do something about it.

Some people consider Canada and the US to be closest allies. Some people consider Trump to be the top representative of the United Stated. Therefore Trump is lying to your closest ally and bragging about it.  

Those people aren’t being fair btw. Most people know Trump was just a huge mistake and are willing to forgive as long as you don’t fuck up again. 

[Zambroski]

3 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

Some people consider Canada and the US to be closest allies. Some people consider Trump to be the top representative of the United Stated. Therefore Trump is lying to your closest ally and bragging about it.  

Those people aren’t being fair btw. Most people know Trump was just a huge mistake and are willing to forgive as long as you don’t fuck up again. 

Technically we are but it's becoming clear, politically and ideologically that it may just remain that way due to geographics.  Guess what....we aren't minding that much.  

And to me it seemed like just a guess...just an opinion.  And that doesn't really count as "lying".  And I sure as fuck didn't see where he admitted he lied.

Get your fucking heads out of your asses and try to think on your own without hate for a change.  Or, put a knife in your ear...and twist.

[franks pond]

trudopes election promises were nothing but lies

[Snake]

27 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

Some people consider Canada and the US to be closest allies. Some people consider Trump to be the top representative of the United Stated. Therefore Trump is lying to your closest ally and bragging about it.  

Those people aren’t being fair btw. Most people know Trump was just a huge mistake and are willing to forgive as long as you don’t fuck up again. 

Canada.

[SnowRider]

Dump admits he doesn’t know shit and made up facts but the Clown Posse still makes excuses for him  

[Snoslinger]

is anyone really surprised by this? well minus the trumpsters. what a buffoon.

 

[Zambroski]

1 hour ago, franks pond said:

trudopes election promises were nothing but lies

 

[Highmark]

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds

Donald TrumpDONALD JOHN TRUMPAccuser says Trump should be afraid of the truthWoman behind pro-Trump Facebook page denies being influenced by RussiansShulkin says he has White House approval to root out 'subversion' at VAMORE has been flogging the truth and twisting facts since the day he arrived in the Oval Office. But anyone who expected more candor from him as president than on the campaign trail was criminally naive. The real mystery nowadays is why the media seeks to expunge the falsehoods of prior presidents.

“Trump’s Lies versus Obama’s” was the headline in a Sunday Review New York Times piece aiming to drive a final coffin nail into Trump’s credibility. The Times claimed Trump has already “told nearly six times as many falsehoods as Obama did during his entire (8-year) presidency.”  The columnists seem so distraught that it is surprising the article is not in all caps.

But the Times’ list of falsehoods is itself a charade with gaping Montana-sized holes.

 

 

Has the Times forgotten about Edward Snowden? Obama responded to Snowden’s stunning revelations of the National Security Agency’s vacuuming up millions of Americans’ personal data  by going on the Jay Leno Show and proclaiming: “There is no spying on Americans.” But NSA’s definition of “terrorist suspect” was so ludicrously broad that it includes anyone “searching the web for suspicious stuff” (maybe including presidential lies). Obama’s verbal defenses of NSA spying collapsed like a row of houses of cards.

In early 2009, Obama visited Mexico and, in a spiel calling for the renewal of the assault weapon ban, asserted that “more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” This vastly overstated the actual problem, since that statistic measured only firearms that Mexican authorities sent to the U.S. for tracing.

His administration then acted as if 90 percent was a goal, not a lie, launching a secret Fast and Furious gunwalking operation masterminded by the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives  agency, deluging Mexican drug gangs with high-powered weapons. At least 150 Mexicans were killed by guns illegally sent south of the border with Obama administration approval.

Obama’s animosity to the Second Amendment spurred some of his most farcical whoppers. In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” Glocks are the Lexus of handguns, and a person could buy hundreds of volumes of used books via Amazon for the price of a Glock.

A year earlier, Obama bewailed “neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable.”  Obama never offered a single example of a locale where carrots are rarer than .38 Specials. But his false claim helped frighten clueless suburbanites to support Obama’s anti-gun agenda. 

The Times column lists only one Obama falsehood on the Affordable Care Act: “If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.”  Obama’s dozens of variations and recitals of this lie were disregarded. The Times also ignored the fact that the ObamaCare legislation was carefully crafted to con Congress and the public. As its intellectual godfather, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, explained: 

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically, that was really, really critical to get this thing to pass.”

To revile Trump, the column also struggles mightily to resurrect George W. Bush’s credibility. The Times concedes that Bush sought to justify attacking Iraq “by talking about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, which did not exist.” This vastly understates the role of official deceit in hustling that war.  

In early 2003, Bush’s speeches continually warned, “If war is forced upon us....” There was never any truth to war being “forced upon us” (except by the White House) but that phrase helped Bush panic audiences still jittery after 9/11. The Center for Public Integrity, which has won two Pulitzer Prizes, compiled a list of 935 lies by Bush and his top appointees on Iraq. Perhaps to preserve the column’s lofty tone, the Times omitted any mention of Bush’s four years of brazenly false denials of authorizing a worldwide torture regime.

The Times’ comparison of Trump and other presidents implies that all lies are equally damnable. The Times ignored all the Obama false promises used to justify his troop surge in Afghanistan (which resulted in more than a thousand dead American troops with nothing to show for the sacrifice) and bombing Libya (which now has slave markets). But killing vast numbers of human beings should require more due diligence than assertions on federal spending for peanut subsidies.

The Times asserts that Trump is seeking to “to make truth irrelevant,” which “is extremely damaging to democracy.” But democracy has also been subverted by the media’s long history of ignoring or absolving presidential lies. For more than a century, the press has groveled the worst when presidents dragged the nation into the biggest perils.

Trump’s lies deserve to be exposed and condemned. But Bush’s and Obama’s lies help explain why only 20 percent of Americans trusted the federal government at the end of Obama’s reign. Pretending America recently had a Golden Age of honest politicians encourages the delusion that toppling Trump is all that is necessary to make the federal government great again.

James Bovard is a member of the USA Today Board of Contributors and has written for the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Playboy, Washington Post, and many other publications. He is the author of 10 books, including “Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty” (St. Martin’s Press, 1994). Follow him on Twitter @JimBovard.

[Momorider]

FAKENEWS Trump tweeted about this lie  today 

[Rod]

1 hour ago, revkevsdi said:

Some people consider Canada and the US to be closest allies. Some people consider Trump to be the top representative of the United Stated. Therefore Trump is lying to your closest ally and bragging about it.  

Those people aren’t being fair btw. Most people know Trump was just a huge mistake and are willing to forgive as long as you don’t fuck up again. 

Everybody fucking lies to Justin he’s an idiot man

[revkevsdi]

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds

Donald TrumpDONALD JOHN TRUMPAccuser says Trump should be afraid of the truthWoman behind pro-Trump Facebook page denies being influenced by RussiansShulkin says he has White House approval to root out 'subversion' at VAMORE has been flogging the truth and twisting facts since the day he arrived in the Oval Office. But anyone who expected more candor from him as president than on the campaign trail was criminally naive. The real mystery nowadays is why the media seeks to expunge the falsehoods of prior presidents.

“Trump’s Lies versus Obama’s” was the headline in a Sunday Review New York Times piece aiming to drive a final coffin nail into Trump’s credibility. The Times claimed Trump has already “told nearly six times as many falsehoods as Obama did during his entire (8-year) presidency.”  The columnists seem so distraught that it is surprising the article is not in all caps.

But the Times’ list of falsehoods is itself a charade with gaping Montana-sized holes.

 

 

Has the Times forgotten about Edward Snowden? Obama responded to Snowden’s stunning revelations of the National Security Agency’s vacuuming up millions of Americans’ personal data  by going on the Jay Leno Show and proclaiming: “There is no spying on Americans.” But NSA’s definition of “terrorist suspect” was so ludicrously broad that it includes anyone “searching the web for suspicious stuff” (maybe including presidential lies). Obama’s verbal defenses of NSA spying collapsed like a row of houses of cards.

In early 2009, Obama visited Mexico and, in a spiel calling for the renewal of the assault weapon ban, asserted that “more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” This vastly overstated the actual problem, since that statistic measured only firearms that Mexican authorities sent to the U.S. for tracing.

His administration then acted as if 90 percent was a goal, not a lie, launching a secret Fast and Furious gunwalking operation masterminded by the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives  agency, deluging Mexican drug gangs with high-powered weapons. At least 150 Mexicans were killed by guns illegally sent south of the border with Obama administration approval.

Obama’s animosity to the Second Amendment spurred some of his most farcical whoppers. In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” Glocks are the Lexus of handguns, and a person could buy hundreds of volumes of used books via Amazon for the price of a Glock.

A year earlier, Obama bewailed “neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable.”  Obama never offered a single example of a locale where carrots are rarer than .38 Specials. But his false claim helped frighten clueless suburbanites to support Obama’s anti-gun agenda. 

The Times column lists only one Obama falsehood on the Affordable Care Act: “If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.”  Obama’s dozens of variations and recitals of this lie were disregarded. The Times also ignored the fact that the ObamaCare legislation was carefully crafted to con Congress and the public. As its intellectual godfather, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, explained: 

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically, that was really, really critical to get this thing to pass.”

To revile Trump, the column also struggles mightily to resurrect George W. Bush’s credibility. The Times concedes that Bush sought to justify attacking Iraq “by talking about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, which did not exist.” This vastly understates the role of official deceit in hustling that war.  

In early 2003, Bush’s speeches continually warned, “If war is forced upon us....” There was never any truth to war being “forced upon us” (except by the White House) but that phrase helped Bush panic audiences still jittery after 9/11. The Center for Public Integrity, which has won two Pulitzer Prizes, compiled a list of 935 lies by Bush and his top appointees on Iraq. Perhaps to preserve the column’s lofty tone, the Times omitted any mention of Bush’s four years of brazenly false denials of authorizing a worldwide torture regime.

The Times’ comparison of Trump and other presidents implies that all lies are equally damnable. The Times ignored all the Obama false promises used to justify his troop surge in Afghanistan (which resulted in more than a thousand dead American troops with nothing to show for the sacrifice) and bombing Libya (which now has slave markets). But killing vast numbers of human beings should require more due diligence than assertions on federal spending for peanut subsidies.

The Times asserts that Trump is seeking to “to make truth irrelevant,” which “is extremely damaging to democracy.” But democracy has also been subverted by the media’s long history of ignoring or absolving presidential lies. For more than a century, the press has groveled the worst when presidents dragged the nation into the biggest perils.

Trump’s lies deserve to be exposed and condemned. But Bush’s and Obama’s lies help explain why only 20 percent of Americans trusted the federal government at the end of Obama’s reign. Pretending America recently had a Golden Age of honest politicians encourages the delusion that toppling Trump is all that is necessary to make the federal government great again.

James Bovard is a member of the USA Today Board of Contributors and has written for the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Playboy, Washington Post, and many other publications. He is the author of 10 books, including “Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty” (St. Martin’s Press, 1994). Follow him on Twitter @JimBovard.

You must be incredibly gullible to think Obama lied nearly as much as Trump.