Your Dictionary Definition of Racism Is Outdated Trash

[steve from amherst]

Even thou I gave you a like a lot of the violence is just plain robbery. There is no such thing as a drug deal gone bad. The only dude who thought he was going to a drug deal was the dealer. The other dude knew he was going to a robbery.

[Zambroski]

1 minute ago, Wildboer said:

 

Legalize all drugs. Problem solved.

Oh....yes.  "Problem solved" for sure.  It may solve some but would create a nightmare of other problems.  Unless of course we decide to adopt and heavily enforce Social Darwinism.  Then yes, I'd say let's do it.  We can create mass graves along side out dump sites.

[Zambroski]

...and also, remember, capitalism always finds a way.

[Wildboer]

2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

Even thou I gave you a like a lot of the violence is just plain robbery. There is no such thing as a drug deal gone bad. The only dude who thought he was going to a drug deal was the dealer. The other dude knew he was going to a robbery.

A drug deal gone bad is absolutely a robbery, it can also become a murder, just depends who you're robbing.

1 minute ago, Zambroski said:

Oh....yes.  "Problem solved" for sure.  It may solve some but would create a nightmare of other problems.  Unless of course we decide to adopt and heavily enforce Social Darwinism.  Then yes, I'd say let's do it.  We can create mass graves along side out dump sites.

This is just not true. Addiction rates would drop, violent crime would plummet. 

[Wildboer]

3 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

...and also, remember, capitalism always finds a way.

You don't think the black market is already capitalist?

[Zambroski]

2 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

A drug deal gone bad is absolutely a robbery, it can also become a murder, just depends who you're robbing.

This is just not true. Addiction rates would drop, violent crime would plummet. 

At my risk of asking, how do you figure that?

Just now, Wildboer said:

You don't think the black market is already capitalist?

That was my point.  The drug trade is a capitalist endeavor.  

[steve from amherst]

5 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

A drug deal gone bad is absolutely a robbery, it can also become a murder, just depends who you're robbing.

This is just not true. Addiction rates would drop, violent crime would plummet. 

it was never a drug deal , it was always a robbery.

[Highmark]

On 1/23/2018 at 10:21 PM, motonoggin said:

Your Dictionary Definition of Racism Is Outdated Trash

https://www.onlyblackgirl.com/blog/2017/4/10/your-dictionary-is-trash

 by Rebekah Hutson

It’s 15 minutes into an intense reverse racism Facebook argument. You’re arguing back and forth with pesky negros who keep blabbering on and on about how reverse racism doesn’t exist. But you know that is a lie, because you were called an expired jar of mayo just last week. You’re all out of examples and insults, the blacks are winning, becoming a little too triumphant. Little do they know that you have one last fact up your sleeve. One last fact to rule them all. It’s 5 seconds left in the 4th quarter, you hit em with all you have left.

“Well the DICTIONARY says racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.”

GOT EM! You do the Cotton-Eyed Joe to celebrate. You’ve won Facebook, how can anyone argue with the dictionary?

Me. I can.

I, along with any other person who uses basic logic can argue agaisnt dictionary definitions. I have come to shatter all of your reverse racism wet dreams.

So here’s the thing, the dictionary is not the law of the land. It’s a dictionary. It’s a book, it’s a pocket guide. It’s not the pirate code written in blood, it wasn’t written by god. It’s not the 10 commandments, nobody had to make human sacrifices for it. It’s a reference guide of words. It was written by a bunch of white people to lay out general definitions of old white words. The dictionary is not written to apply to social context or even to modern speech. There is no book big enough to accommodate every word and all of it’s different meanings and contexts. In fact, if you bothered to use the free resource that goes by the name of Google, you could look up “How our dictionaries are created” and you would discover the dictionaries themselves admit that words are forever changing and dictionaries are only a snapshot or popular meaning.

From Oxford Dictionary themselves:

“Our dictionary programmes constantly monitor the use of language so that our experts can identify and record the changes taking place. The result is dictionaries which give a window on to how language is used today.”

— HTTPS://WWW.OXFORDDICTIONARIES.COM/OUR-STORY/CREATING-DICTIONARIES

The term and idea of racism was invented by white people in the 17th century in order to differentiate themselves from all the pesky brown folks So of course the “I think I’m better than you” definition would fit this situation. However, after hundreds of years of white supremacy, things have shifted to far worse than just thinking you’re better than someone else based on skin color. I would declare racism dead, right now in 2017 if racism was just “someone thinking their better based on skin color”. Because who cares? We all know that’s false, but due to white supremacy shenanigans, shit was made much worse and complicated. Thus why that simplified definition does not work anymore.

I’m not sure if you skipped grade school, but I sure didn’t, and one of the first things I learn in any type of English class is that words can have multiple meanings and context exists. Dictionaries are opinions, they are based on popularity. There is no judge and jury who gets together to discuss and determine what a word means and that is what is put down in the dictionary. It’s a book of popular opinion, and when white people are the ones writing the dictionary, of the course the popular opinion of racism is going to be “someone being mean to me”. Just look at the fact that the dictionary only accommodates western English. There is no AAVE, which is an actual recognized language in linguistics, there’s not even regional language in there, because it’s not “proper” or “white”…even though Western English itself isn’t “proper English”. But we don’t have time to discuss that tea.

 read more on how the dictionary is bias trash, check out this fancily drawn cartoon. I want to focus more on how context is a thing that exists.

Context matters when we are talking about social issues. Words have social meanings that may differ than the commonly known or understood meaning. You can’t tell me “to twist”, doesn’t mean the dance you do twisting your upper and lower body in opposite directions simultaneously, just because the dictionary says it means “cause to rotate around something that remains stationary”. Or that “mad” doesn’t also mean something extreme or exaggerated, (like your mad whack logic), just because the dictionary says”enraged; greatly provoked or irritated; angry”. Yeah, those are basic meanings of the word at face value, but guess what words have more than one meaning and when you add context, the meanings change. Just because YOU don’t get it, doesn’t mean everyone else on the east coast doesn’t commonly understand the different definitions of the word “mad”. The same logic applies with the term racism.

When we are talking about racism, today in 2017, the old blanket definition based on common understanding, just does not suffice. Yes, that is still the foundation and underlying ideology of racism, but we are well past the foundation, the house in built. You need to update your definitions of words to modern times fam. In addition, we are talking about a social problem, something that has social context. So when we apply words to social issues, or any other context outside of basic speech, meanings change. Just like how the word “gay” changes when put into social context. The dictionary says gay is “lighthearted and carefree”, are you going to tell me, it is incorrect that “gay” also refers to someone who is homosexual? Shit changes, things are not black and white. In fact many dictionary HAVE had to update entries under words like “gay” to include these new social meanings, because it is now a widely known definition and understanding of the word. Look in a 50-year old dictionary and tell me if you see this definition of gay included. There’s a reason updated version of dictionaries are released all the time. When we are talking about race and racism as a social construct, we are talking about a highly complex, multi-layered issue that cannot just be summed up with “thinking your race superior”. Which is where the argument of “reverse racism” falls flat, and the far more commonly understood definition of racism being race + powercomes from.

White supremacy has been at work for a long time. Long enough to create systems of injustice. We see it every single day, if you need still needs examples of this in 2017, google is free. White supremacist systems have been implemented that hold themselves above everyone else. So much so, that the basic mindset of white people being better than everyone else, simply doesn’t matter anymore. It’s already built into the system. Personal beliefs don’t really matter when the system is built on racial bias.

You could be the most anti-racism white person on the planet, and still make zero difference, because the system is already setup to make sure white people stay ahead and superior. This is why the anti-racism movement is rooted in restructuring the system and not just “-lets just kill all the racist white people”. Lucky you, that doesn’t solve anything if the whole system is fucked up, and POCs aren’t as hateful as white folks have been. When we are addressing this idea of race + power, we are referring to the fact that, in order to be racist you have to have the power to have a systematic effect. I can call you a expired jar of mayo, but will that stop you from getting every job before a person of color? Nope. Will that end the wage gap? Will you get kicked out of school for you natural hair? Will you now be stopped and frisked at random? Will you need “random” security checks at the airport? Will you be assaulted, knocked out, and have your limp body dragged off an United airlines flight? Will you be shot by a cop for existing? Nope, nope nope and nope. The answer is no. You will get your feelings hurt and then you will go on to live a white privileged life. It doesn’t work the other way around for the rest of us. Hence why “reverse racism” and the dictionary is a load of shit.

Even if every person of color really did HATE white people, and I mean really hate them…like want them all dead type of hate, we still wouldn’t have the power to make that happen. Obama, as president didn’t even have the power to be racist. Do you think the house and senate would have allowed black ass O’breezy to pass any bill that said “deport all white people back to Europe”? No, that would never happen because white people still have the majority power in this country. Meanwhile y’alls favorite circus peanut, passed it for brown folks, within two weeks of being in office. If the a black president of these so called, united states couldn’t do it (if he wanted to), what makes you think the random POCs in the hallway at school is going to have any impact on your life’s trajectory?

Now, POCs can be prejudice and discriminatory, towards white people and each other, however those things are not the same as racism. Prejudice and discrimination are more of an individual ideology, an opinion that isn’t based on any actual facts. By itself, it isn’t systematic. When you start applying that prejudice into a larger vessel like the american government, then it becomes racism. So those extremist that do want to kill all white people, would be considered pretty damn prejudice and discriminatory against white people. But again, even they do not possess the power to actually make that happen. Are you getting the gist here? Great.

So, to recap this long ass post, the dictionary is outdated and based on white male opinions. Words have multiple meanings and change with time and context. So you can get off your dictionary high horse. Also “reverse racism” isn’t a thing as you are not being effect outside of your own hurt feelings. You did not win your Facebook argument. You need to log off and take this L with you.

It’s 2017 folks, get with the times, update your definitions accordingly, and throw your beloved dictionary into the nearest recycling bin.

Thank you and I’m out.

 

More "you're automatically a racist if you're white" lecturing that I won't read.    

[motonoggin]

20 minutes ago, Highmark said:

More "you're automatically a racist if you're white" lecturing that I won't read.    

 

[Highmark]

Just now, motonoggin said:

 

  You fucking crack me up.  

[motonoggin]

6 minutes ago, Highmark said:

  You fucking crack me up.  

That's your privilege talking. Black people don't find white racial ignorance funny in the least.

[Zambroski]

Just now, motonoggin said:

That's your privilege talking. Black people don't find white racial ignorance funny in the least.

Yes they do.  I promise.  Most black people have an amazing sense of humor.  

[motonoggin]

1 minute ago, Zambroski said:

Yes they do.  I promise.  Most black people have an amazing sense of humor.  

They'd have to in order to survive in a racist society. 

[Zambroski]

Just now, motonoggin said:

They'd have to in order to survive in a racist society. 

Well then, make up your mind!  Or, listen to some of us that have lots of experience being around negroes.  

 

[motonoggin]

3 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Well then, make up your mind!  Or, listen to some of us that have lots of experience being around negroes.  

 

Not racist.

Still uses the word 'negro'...

🤔

[Zambroski]

Just now, motonoggin said:

Not racist.

Still uses the word 'negro'...

🤔

Nice try.  Fail tho.  I think we’ve been over this before so I’ll spare us both the diatribe.

 

 

[Wildboer]

43 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

At my risk of asking, how do you figure that?

That was my point.  The drug trade is a capitalist endeavor.  

The black market is an addiction creating machine. Moving drug use into the open would a) prevent addictions from forming behind closed doors and b) make it much easier for an addict to get treatment. 

The drug trade is only capitalist in capitalist societies. Everyone I know views weed as something communal. Sure we have to buy it with money from a dealer, but everyone who's got buds throws down some of their weed and we don't exclude friends who want to smoke but forgot to bring/ran out of weed. If growing becomes legal in NJ I'm gonna grow more than I need for myself, give the rest away to close friends. Maybe occasionally barter for something with it, but never sell it. 

41 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

it was never a drug deal , it was always a robbery.

Tell that to a dealer who didn't see the robbery coming. 

[Highmark]

14 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

That's your privilege talking. Black people don't find white racial ignorance funny in the least.

Please explain to me how I'm a racist?  Because I live in an area without many blacks?  Because I vote R more than D?

The left loves to tell us we are all racist without knowing us individually at all yet if any comment is done about the black community regarding crime or anything else its automatically racism and not facts.    

[Zambroski]

3 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

The black market is an addiction creating machine. Moving drug use into the open would a) prevent addictions from forming behind closed doors and b) make it much easier for an addict to get treatment. 

The drug trade is only capitalist in capitalist societies. Everyone I know views weed as something communal. Sure we have to buy it with money from a dealer, but everyone who's got buds throws down some of their weed and we don't exclude friends who want to smoke but forgot to bring/ran out of weed. If growing becomes legal in NJ I'm gonna grow more than I need for myself, give the rest away to close friends. Maybe occasionally barter for something with it, but never sell it. 

Tell that to a dealer who didn't see the robbery coming. 

I’ll circle back to this as you clearly didn’t really think this through but felt you had to come up with some answer. 

[motonoggin]

10 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Please explain to me how I'm a racist?  Because I live in an area without many blacks?  Because I vote R more than D?

The left loves to tell us we are all racist without knowing us individually at all yet if any comment is done about the black community regarding crime or anything else its automatically racism and not facts.    

You're white. You were raised in a society built upon racism. It's not your fault that you were conditioned that way from the day you were born.

It is your fault, however, for being willfully ignorant and dismissive of the experience of black people at the hands of the system built by whites.

Edited January 29, 2018 by motonoggin

[Wildboer]

2 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

I’ll circle back to this as you clearly didn’t really think this through but felt you had to come up with some answer. 

I don't care what you have to say, feel free to look dumb in any thread you wish. Personally, I don't see how anyone could be dumb enough to think the law is actually what prevents people from doing addictive drugs... or how you could be so stupid you don't realize all the addicts who are afraid of the law are already alcoholics.

On the real here Zam, how many illegal drugs are more fucked up than alcohol? Heroin is the only one I can think of.

[steve from amherst]

2 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

You're white. You were raised in a society built upon racism. It's not your fault that you were conditioned that way from the day you were born.

It is your fault, however, for being willfully ignorant of the experience of black people at the hands of the system built by whites.

Has it ever occurred to you that apathy comes into play ? 

[steve from amherst]

3 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

I don't care what you have to say, feel free to look dumb in any thread you wish. Personally, I don't see how anyone could be dumb enough to think the law is actually what prevents people from doing addictive drugs... or how you could be so stupid you don't realize all the addicts who are afraid of the law are already alcoholics.

On the real here Zam, how many illegal drugs are more fucked up than alcohol? Heroin is the only one I can think of.

yep , and even arresting junkies and doing nothing more with them but running them thru the court system is a waste of money. To think a junkie will not do heroin because they fear getting arrested is comical at best.

[Wildboer]

2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

Has it ever occurred to you that apathy comes into play ? 

Being apathetic towards abused and underserved communities is being complicit. 

Just now, steve from amherst said:

yep , and even arresting junkies and doing nothing more with them but running them thru the court system is a waste of money. To think a junkie will not do heroin because they fear getting arrested is comical at best.

Yep, I also want to talk to the nonexistent group of people who really want to try heroin for the first time but won't do so solely because they are afraid of breaking the law.

[Wildboer]

"Oh man, heroin looks so fun! I would definitely try that if it were legal!" Said NO ONE EVER.