Thoughts and prayers.

[Skidooski]

Both will scare the Tupaware girl from the north

[f7ben]

oh boy...now thats not too bad right there !!!!!!!!1111

[NaturallyAspirated]

2 minutes ago, f7ben said:

oh boy...now thats not too bad right there !!!!!!!!1111

I wonder if that's the third wheels lipstick on the hip!

Neal

[XCR1250]

There are almost 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws. (Men more so than women)
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not almost 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago in 2015 (701 in 2016)
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore in 2015
. 302 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit in 2016
• 135 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. in 2016 (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminal wills obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 60,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die in some years from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 40,200 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide) 

Now it gets good:
• 250,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital! (John's Hopkins)

• 611,000 people die per year from heart disease. (CDC) It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.....Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
The taking away of guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. 
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of a Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."
Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."

[bussman]

Well there goes that narrative. 

[f7ben]

good post Don and spot on 

[f7ben]

Just now, bussman said:

Well there goes that narrative. 

I've posted all that before but never in a neatly packaged article like that. If you take out suicide and gang violence the US gun murder rate drops to very close to other nations with strict gun laws

[NaturallyAspirated]

2 minutes ago, XCR1250 said:

There are almost 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws. (Men more so than women)
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not almost 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago in 2015 (701 in 2016)
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore in 2015
. 302 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit in 2016
• 135 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. in 2016 (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminal wills obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 60,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die in some years from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 40,200 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide) 

Now it gets good:
• 250,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital! (John's Hopkins)

• 611,000 people die per year from heart disease. (CDC) It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.....Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
The taking away of guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. 
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of a Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."
Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."

The math on the overall percentage is massively incorrect...

Neal

[revkevsdi]

33 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Let me clue these anti gun faggots in

Criminals will have guns no matter what.....lawbiding citizens should have unfettered access. And with that right we are willing to accept the inherent risk associated with living in a free and well armed society. Nothing else needs be said. If bitch ass pussy subservient cunt nooks wanna live without rights.....have at it. Not here in the USA...our populace likes to have rights and the ability to choose that comes along with that. Its empowering ....crying ass bitch canadians wouldnt understand 

Dear clueless shit. Most of these mass murderers were not criminals until they killed. You and all the nra spoon fed dumb fuckers would have argued for their right to  own the weapons because they hadn’t done anything. 

 

[f7ben]

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

The math on the overall percentage is massively incorrect...

Neal

you're massively incorrect 

[NaturallyAspirated]

4 minutes ago, f7ben said:

I've posted all that before but never in a neatly packaged article like that. If you take out suicide and gang violence the US gun murder rate drops to very close to other nations with strict gun laws

Yup.  Ding dongs and pizza kill far more citizens than guns.

Neal

[NaturallyAspirated]

Just now, f7ben said:

you're massively incorrect 

Huh? 

Neal

[f7ben]

Just now, revkevsdi said:

Dear clueless shit. Most of these mass murderers were not criminals until they killed. You and all the nra spoon fed dumb fuckers would have argued for their right to  own the weapons because they hadn’t done anything. 

 

we dont have a gun problem.....that is a fact. We have a gang problem and a mental health problem. Suicides and gang violence. Thats it 

[f7ben]

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

Yup.  Ding dongs and pizza kill far more citizens than guns.

Neal

of course they do 

[f7ben]

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

Huh? 

Neal

 

[NaturallyAspirated]

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

we dont have a gun problem.....that is a fact. We have a gang problem and a mental health problem. Suicides and gang violence. Thats it 

We must admit that guns do increase the rate of death.  There would not be as many deaths if there were no guns.  However the rate is so low that we do not see a ban on all guns as a valid restriction on rights presently.

Neal

[NaturallyAspirated]

2 minutes ago, f7ben said:

 

The article would be more powerful if shit was factual.  It begs the question what else in the article is off by many orders of magnitude...

Whomever does shit like this should have their poop in a group.

Neal

[f7ben]

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

The article would be more powerful if shit was factual.  It begs the question what else in the article is off by many orders of magnitude...

Whomever does shit like this should have their poop in a group.

Neal

Its easy to look up the stats for yourself and see....

[revkevsdi]

19 minutes ago, XCR1250 said:

There are almost 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws. (Men more so than women)
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not almost 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago in 2015 (701 in 2016)
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore in 2015
. 302 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit in 2016
• 135 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. in 2016 (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminal wills obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 60,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die in some years from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 40,200 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide) 

Now it gets good:
• 250,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital! (John's Hopkins)

• 611,000 people die per year from heart disease. (CDC) It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.....Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
The taking away of guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. 
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of a Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."
Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."

 

17 minutes ago, f7ben said:

I've posted all that before but never in a neatly packaged article like that. If you take out suicide and gang violence the US gun murder rate drops to very close to other nations with strict gun laws

Great stats. Just because you are massively unhealthy, no need to use that as an excuse to keep allowing nutbars to kill innocent people. 

Suicide. Let’s look at that. Drunk stupid fucker reaches for his gun in his own house and blows his brains out. Vs everything else that takes more work and planning. 

Also what happens to the stats when you remove gangs and suicide from Canada, Germany England and Australia murder rate?

how about only including innocent victims. 

 

How would you like me to destroy your second amendment argument?

first tell me what was its’ intended purpose?

Edited November 18, 2017 by revkevsdi

[NaturallyAspirated]

Just now, f7ben said:

Its easy to look up the stats for yourself and see....

You seemed to swallow it whole without a check...

I'm on the side of gun ownership and that we don't have a massive gun problem.  However simple shit like the math in the article being wrong doesn't help the cause.

Neal

[SnowRider]

No surprise .7 Momo falls for Chainmail Don’s propaganda  

[revkevsdi]

40 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

Both will scare the Tupaware girl from the north

She’s going to be fat when she gets older. 

[f7ben]

1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

You seemed to swallow it whole without a check...

I'm on the side of gun ownership and that we don't have a massive gun problem.  However simple shit like the math in the article being wrong doesn't help the cause.

Neal

I gave it a quick pass through and have read all the stats from the CDC etc before. Take out suicide and gang violence and we clearly dont have a gun problem 

[revkevsdi]

1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

You seemed to swallow it whole without a check...

I'm on the side of gun ownership and that we don't have a massive gun problem.  However simple shit like the math in the article being wrong doesn't help the cause.

Neal

Sure it does. These dumb fuckers want to believe it so they quote it. 

But there has been progress. 3 years ago most on here argued that the guns kept them safe. 

[f7ben]

1 minute ago, SnowRider said:

No surprise .7 Momo falls for Chainmail Don’s propaganda  

You are a brain dead fucking piece of filth. Parading around here like care about state and local elections and being involved.....but totally silent when it comes out that Hillary gutted your state and local funding. What a hypocrite you are.....die in a fire already cunt