Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Anler said: Seems like you are defending a broken system to protect the perpetrators of the broken system. Im not saying that by just making the govt in charge of health care fixes everything. There are multiple things that need to happen. Personally I think things could get fixed (Completely fixed) if health insurance was done away with all together. If everyone had to pay for their own health care out of pocket between you and your doctors. You would see alot of cures for shit that havent been available before because there is no money in curing anything. I'm defending a private system or whats left of it, don't confuse the two. No different than I would defend the industry your in staying private even though I don't like you. Edited September 13, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: I'm defending a private system or whats left of it, don't confuse the two. No different than I would defend the industry your in staying private even though I don't like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: I'm defending a private system or whats left of it, don't confuse the two. No different than I would defend the industry your in staying private even though I don't like you. Its not private when you HAVE to buy it or your employer is REQUIRED to provide it. Its not like we can decide NOT to own health insurance. Our whole medical system is designed around INSURANCE and not around HEALTH. It should fall just like every other made up rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Its not private when you HAVE to buy it or your employer is REQUIRED to provide it. Its not like we can decide NOT to own health insurance. Our whole medical system is designed around INSURANCE and not around HEALTH. It should fall just like every other made up rule. And who mad it mandatory to buy it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Anler said: Its not private when you HAVE to buy it or your employer is REQUIRED to provide it. Its not like we can decide NOT to own health insurance. Our whole medical system is designed around INSURANCE and not around HEALTH. It should fall just like every other made up rule. Or your forced to by X policy. Some good points here. I really don't care if they go Medicare for all (who wants it) just don't force everyone to pay for it if they want to opt out. Same thing should have been done from the beginning with SS for everyone just like some pension plans have negotiated out of it. Edited September 13, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, Highmark said: Or your forced to by X policy. Some good points here. I really don't care if they go Medicare for all (who wants it) just don't force everyone to pay for it if they want to opt out. Same thing should have been done from the beginning with SS for everyone just like some pension plans have negotiated out of it. Well alot of those pension plans are going tits up. Not a great decision for the workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: And who mad it mandatory to buy it? The insurance companies you stupid mook! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 13, 2017 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, oleroule said: Yep.....Ronnie was/is a big fucking problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Yep.....Ronnie was/is a big fucking problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Anler said: The insurance companies you stupid mook! No insurance Comany forced anyone to buy insurance . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, Anler said: Well alot of those pension plans are going tits up. Not a great decision for the workers. Most of them are state or teachers pensions I believe. Too many promises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Bernie is claiming his latest program will cost $1.4 trillion per year. That divided by the 320 million American's comes out to around $4375 per person. Not sure how we are going to cut costs that great without massive hits on quality or availability. I'm surprised that of the $3.2 trillion we already spend on HC that only around 5% is on nursing home care. Data are for the U.S. Per capita national health expenditures: $9,990 (2015) Total national health expenditures: $3.2 trillion (2015) Total national health expenditures as a percent of Gross Domestic Product: 17.8% (2015) Source: Health, United States, 2016, table 93[PDF – 9.8 MB] Percent of national health expenditures for hospital care: 32.3% (2015) Percent of national health expenditures for nursing care facilities and continuing care retirement communities: 4.9% (2015) Percent of national health expenditures for physician and clinical services: 19.8% (2015) Percent of national health expenditures for prescription drugs: 10.1% (2015) Source: Health, United States, 2016, table 94[PDF – 9.8 MB] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/health-expenditures.htm Edited September 13, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Bernie is claiming his latest program will cost $1.4 trillion per year. That divided by the 320 million American's comes out to around $4375 per person. Not sure how we are going to cut costs that great without massive hits on quality or availability. I'm surprised that of the $3.2 trillion we already spend on HC that only around 5% is on nursing home care. Other countries do it and it works ...what we have is broken. The end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Bernie is claiming his latest program will cost $1.4 trillion per year. That divided by the 320 million American's comes out to around $4375 per person. Not sure how we are going to cut costs that great without massive hits on quality or availability. Cut the military in half and combine it with medicare and medicaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just now, Anler said: Cut the military in half and combine it with medicare and medicaid. Cut the military in half, bring all the troops home and balance the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Cut the military in half, bring all the troops home and balance the budget. Nobody has any interest in balancing the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Other countries do it and it works ...what we have is broken. The end We are not other countries and from where we are starting is completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 13, 2017 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Cut the military in half, bring all the troops home and balance the budget. What is your boy Dumps position on military spending... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just now, SnowRider said: What is your boy Dumps position on military spending... Dude you do realize you don't have to agree with your preferred candidate on everything. I know that is a concept above your head but ask your wife or someone else to explain it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 29 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: No insurance Comany forced anyone to buy insurance . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Highmark said: Bernie is claiming his latest program will cost $1.4 trillion per year. That divided by the 320 million American's comes out to around $4375 per person. Not sure how we are going to cut costs that great without massive hits on quality or availability. I'm surprised that of the $3.2 trillion we already spend on HC that only around 5% is on nursing home care. you know THAT isn't going to be a real number. it'll be more like $1.4 trillion / 175 million. that's $8000 / person....not family. Edited September 13, 2017 by oleroule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Anler said: Nobody has any interest in balancing the budget. The Paul's do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: We are not other countries and from where we are starting is completely different. Apparently you've never heard of 'economies of scale'. Some business maven you are. Fucking joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Apparently you've never heard of 'economies of scale'. Some business maven you are. Fucking joke. Why are you even replying. You don't believe in NHC. A true communist society you don't pay for anything and the govt controls nothing because there is no govt. Moto: Hey doc you want to pull out this gerbal, I got some pot to trade ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: The Paul's do. 2/3rds of "republicans" think those two are kooks. neocons only want to hear about more military, less taxes and deport mexicans... And Jesus. even tho jesus in the antithesis of the prior mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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