motonoggin Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 No telling how much we'll save collectively when we can bargain in bulk for drugs, imaging services, medical equipment, etc, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Seems to me going to one 'insurance company' for the whole country would be very beneficial to those it covers. Especially one that doesn't need opulent headquarters, huge executive salaries, and profits to operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 14, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, f7ben said: and until you provide proof of his plan actually accounting for that I will take the Berns word.....not your As stated before if he's including everyone its even more laughable. Sorry but there simply isn't $1.8 trillion in savings unless he's being completely disingenuous at the copays or whatever else people will be required to contribute. Reality is go for it and let those of us who want to opt out be able to do so. Still should be a large enough pool. Edited September 14, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Here is what I would like to see implemented with a National HC system .......if you are a citizen convicted of intentionally defrauding medicare on a scale exceeding the cost of care for a certain multiple of people then you should be punished as someone who committed a crime against the greater good of society and receive a life sentence. If you are a HC provider or an official associated with legislating or implementing the HC system and you are convicted of defrauding the system then you should receive the death penalty. The end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 14, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, f7ben said: Here is what I would like to see implemented with a National HC system .......if you are a citizen convicted of intentionally defrauding medicare on a scale exceeding the cost of care for a certain multiple of people then you should be punished as someone who committed a crime against the greater good of society and receive a life sentence. If you are a HC provider or an official associated with legislating or implementing the HC system and you are convicted of defrauding the system then you should receive the death penalty. The end I'd prefer the death penalty for both. Honestly Ben I'm just trying to be realistic with the numbers. Anyone with common sense has to see it simply don't add up getting that much savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: I'd prefer the death penalty for both. Honestly Ben I'm just trying to be realistic with the numbers. Anyone with common sense has to see it simply don't add up getting that much savings. Your numbers are flawed because they're based upon a system that extracts as much profit as possible from every aspect of patients' interaction with the healthcare system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 14, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Your numbers are flawed because they're based upon a system that extracts as much profit as possible from every aspect of patients' interaction with the healthcare system. No they are not. You are not going to eliminate 100% profit from the HC industry. HCI profits are already quite low. Drug profits while high do not make up a significant portion of HC costs (about 3%). Again common sense. Try looking at things from a non emotional perspective sometime. Edited September 14, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: No they are not. You are not going to eliminate 100% profit from the HC industry. HCI profits are already quite low. Drug profits while high do not make up a significant portion of HC costs (about 3%). Again common sense. Try looking at things from a non emotional perspective sometime. Ok, yeah, healthcare doesn't make any money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 14, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Ok, yeah, healthcare doesn't make any money... Never made that claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Never made that claim. I mean, what about the useless executives? They'll be panhandling on the street corner if we don't spend the most per person for healthcare in the western hemisphere!!!1111!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, Highmark said: I'd prefer the death penalty for both. Honestly Ben I'm just trying to be realistic with the numbers. Anyone with common sense has to see it simply don't add up getting that much savings. And I think its a worthy cause to make sure every citizen here has access to quality healthcare regardless of their economic situation without fear of having their financial means destroyed by debt because of needing care. I think we can do better than we are now and as a whole UHC is the only possible solution. We are the richest nation to have ever existed. Its time we get our fucking priorities straight 15 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Your numbers are flawed because they're based upon a system that extracts as much profit as possible from every aspect of patients' interaction with the healthcare system. exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 14, 2017 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2017 Skidmark defending the HC status quo and criticizing a superior solution without having a better one.....typical Dumper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 hours ago, SnowRider said: Hey dipshit - how do other industrialized countries provide better HC on average for less than half the cost per captita? they don't. put up a list of prominent people that jet off to england or canada for 'better' health care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 minute ago, oleroule said: they don't. put up a list of prominent people that jet off to england or canada for 'better' health care? you are such a fucking moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: you are such a fucking moron says the guy that has stated on a public forum that he wants to kill members of congress. your lack of common sense is disturbing. Edited September 14, 2017 by oleroule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, oleroule said: says the guy that has stated on a public forum that he wants to kill members of congress. your lack of common sense is disturbing. I never said I wanted to kill them personally ....I said I wished them to be dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 14, 2017 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, oleroule said: they don't. put up a list of prominent people that jet off to england or canada for 'better' health care? Hey stupid fuck - 'On Average' - you're a fucking Mouthbreather. Look it up and then STFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, oleroule said: says the guy that has stated on a public forum that he wants to kill members of congress. your lack of common sense is disturbing. Don't clutch your pearls too hard, there, Lady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, oleroule said: they don't. put up a list of prominent people that jet off to england or canada for 'better' health care? It does happen on occasion, but no one is saying that rich folks don't have access to excellent health care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted September 14, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Don't clutch your pearls too hard, there, Lady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 49 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Hey stupid fuck - 'On Average' - you're a fucking Mouthbreather. Look it up and then STFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Why does UHC work in every other country that has tried it yet it won't work in ours? Why are costs reasonable in every other country that has UHC but if we move toward UHC it won't save any money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) ^ define 'work'. seems to me that things like waiting months for a cat scan, isn't 'working'. Edited September 14, 2017 by oleroule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: Why does UHC work in every other country that has tried it yet it won't work in ours? Why are costs reasonable in every other country that has UHC but if we move toward UHC it won't save any money Prepare for DERP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, oleroule said: ^ define 'work'. seems to me that waiting months for a cat scan isn't 'working'. How about never getting the cat scan or having the cat scan bankrupt you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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