Trumpcare...Skinny Repeal

[racer254]

Lets all say it together:

 

GRUBERED!!!!

[SnowRider]

Looks,like another failed attempt.  8 years of bitching, campaigning on repeal, lying about replacing, and only a real dumb voter drinks the Kool-aid  Even the insurance companies it's meant to help say  

Major insurance groups call part of health bill 'unworkable'

 

FILE - In this July 13, 2017 file photo, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky. walks to his office on Capitol Hill in Washington. Republicans’ latest health care plan would create winners and losers among Americans up and down the income ladder, and across age groups. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais, File)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Two of the insurance industry's most powerful organizations say a crucial provision in the Senate Republican health care bill allowing the sale of bare-bones policies is "unworkable in any form," delivering a blow to party leaders' efforts to win support for their legislation.

The language was crafted by conservative Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and leaders have included it in the overall bill in hopes of winning votes from other congressional conservatives. But moderates have worried it will cause people with serious illnesses to lose coverage, and some conservatives say it doesn't go far enough.

Two of the 52 GOP senators have already said they will oppose the legislation. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell cannot lose any others for the legislation to survive a showdown vote expected next week.

The overall measure represents the Senate GOP's attempt to deliver on the party's promise to repeal President Barack Obama's health care law, which they've been pledging to do since its 2010 enactment.

The criticism of Cruz's provision was lodged in a rare joint statement by America's Health Care Plans and the BlueCross BlueShield Association. The two groups released it late Friday in the form of a letter to McConnell, R-Ky.

"It is simply unworkable in any form," the letter said. They said it would "undermine protections for those with pre-existing medical conditions," increase premiums and lead many to lose coverage.

The provision would let insurers sell low-cost policies with skimpy coverage, as long as they also sell policies that meet a stringent list of services they're required to provide under Obama's law, like mental health counseling and prescription drugs.

Cruz says the proposal would drive down premiums and give people the option of buying the coverage they feel they need.

Critics say the measure would encourage healthy people to buy the skimpy, low-cost plans, leaving sicker consumers who need more comprehensive coverage confronting unaffordable costs. The insurers' statement backs up that assertion, lending credence to wary senators' worries and complicating McConnell's task of winning them over.

The two groups say premiums would "skyrocket" for people with preexisting conditions, especially for middle-income families who don't qualify for the bill's tax credit. They also say the plan would leave consumers with fewer insurance options, so "millions of more individuals will become uninsured."

The bill provides $70 billion for states to use to help contain rising costs for people with serious conditions. But the insurance groups' statement says that amount "is insufficient and additional funding will not make the provision workable for consumers or taxpayers."

The Cruz provision language in the bill is not final. McConnell and other Republicans are considering ways to revise it in hopes of winning broader support.

McConnell and top Trump administration officials plan to spend the next few days cajoling senators and home-state governors in an effort to nail down support for the bill.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office is expected to release its analysis of McConnell's revised bill early next week, including an assessment of Cruz's plan.

The office estimated that McConnell's initial bill would have caused 22 million additional people to be uninsured.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/major-insurance-groups-call-part-health-bill-unworkable-120119592--politics.html

[Momorider]

No individual or employer mandate that's huge  

[oleroule]

3 hours ago, SnowRider said:

Looks,like another failed attempt.  8 years of bitching, campaigning on repeal, lying about replacing, and only a real dumb voter drinks the Kool-aid  Even the insurance companies it's meant to help say  

Major insurance groups call part of health bill 'unworkable'

 

what's your master plan, buttwheat?

your side is the one that created the mess.

just so you know, 99.99% of gooberment interference in healthcare is 'unworkable'.

[ICEMAN!]

4 Senators have bailed

This bill is dead

#WINNING

[SnowRider]

GOP senator: Health care vote now ‘in jeopardy’ due to McConnell’s ‘breach of trust’

 

Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis. responds to reporters as he and other Senators arrive for weekly policy meetings on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, July 11, 2017. (Photo: J. Scott Applewhite/AP)

WASHINGTON — A key Republican senator says the Republican health care bill is in “jeopardy” due to comments Majority Leader Mitch McConnell made to moderate senators behind closed doors.

Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., told reporters Monday that he has confirmed with moderate GOP senators that McConnell, R-Ky., told them the bill’s biggest Medicaid cuts would never go into effect because they are so far in the future.

Johnson wants those changes to the Medicaid program and says it’s a “breach of trust” that McConnell is making conflicting statements to different members of his caucus.

“‘Don’t worry about it,’” Johnson said McConnell told the senators. “‘Those are too far in the future; it’ll never happen.’”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-senator-health-care-vote-now-jeopardy-due-mcconnells-breach-trust-231133162.html

[Snoslinger]

it failed

this POS bill should be much farther away from passing than it is.

 

[Ez ryder]

On 7/10/2017 at 7:08 AM, SnowRider said:

Why wasn't it repealed on Day 1 like your party promised for the past 8 years?   Any updates on the superior alternative from your real news sources? 

 

 

it is pretty much done. with out a enforce mandate to buy in it is over . imho let it fail and don't do shit . I think that is sort of the plan .pretend to get something to replace.  oh well we tried all the while Obama care fast becoming extinct under its own weight 

[SnowRider]

1 minute ago, Ez ryder said:

it is pretty much done. with out a enforce mandate to buy in it is over . imho let it fail and don't do shit . I think that is sort of the plan .pretend to get something to replace.  oh well we tried all the while Obama care fast becoming extinct under its own weight 

Yeah....you go with that  

 

So if that's the case - the R's have been lying to you for almost 8 years 

[Edmo]

2 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Yeah....you go with that  

 

So if that's the case - the R's have been lying to you for almost 8 years 

You know damn well you can't take away an entitlement. I like that there not going to pass it until it's right. As opposed to passing it and reading it later.  

[SnowRider]

Just now, Edmo said:

You know damn well you can't take away an entitlement. I like that there not going to pass it until it's right. As opposed to passing it and reading it later.  

 You fucking Dumpers are gullible dummies  

[ICEMAN!]

1 minute ago, Edmo said:

You know damn well you can't take away an entitlement. I like that there not going to pass it until it's right. As opposed to passing it and reading it later.  

I love the fact that they had 8 years to come up with something amazing and instead have come up with 2 hastily slapped together bags of dog shit.

 

[Zambroski]

29 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

4 Senators have bailed

This bill is dead

#WINNING

Indeed!!!!!  Winning!  

8 minutes ago, Ez ryder said:

it is pretty much done. with out a enforce mandate to buy in it is over . imho let it fail and don't do shit . I think that is sort of the plan .pretend to get something to replace.  oh well we tried all the while Obama care fast becoming extinct under its own weight 

Yep.  They are pissing me off!  Let's let OBAMACARE really put a bad taste in Americans mouths...I mean piss-shit taste.  "Legacy".

5 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Yeah....you go with that  

 

So if that's the case - the R's have been lying to you for almost 8 years 

8 years huh?  Idiot.

 

[Snoslinger]

6 minutes ago, Edmo said:

You know damn well you can't take away an entitlement. I like that there not going to pass it until it's right. As opposed to passing it and reading it later.  

sigh. is there anything, anything at all you haven't swallowed whole when it comes to rww spin?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-context-behind-nancy-pelosis-famous-we-have-to-pass-the-bill-quote/

Edited July 18, 2017 by Snoslinger

[Edmo]

4 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

 You fucking Dumpers are gullible dummies  

And you got Grubered. Own it.  

[Edmo]

Just now, Snoslinger said:

sigh. is there anything, anything at all you haven't swallowed whole when it comes to rww spin?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-context-behind-nancy-pelosis-famous-we-have-to-pass-the-bill-quote/

Of course they all read it end to end.  

[Snoslinger]

why not 

4 minutes ago, Edmo said:

And you got Grubered. Own it.  

and another topic that went over your head.....

 

Edited July 18, 2017 by Snoslinger

[Edmo]

9 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

why not 

and another topic that went over your head.....

 

Excuses and assholes...

[Edmo]

If Obamacare is so great why do some on the left keep saying don't replace it, fix the problems with it. Something so great shouldn't need "fixed", should it?  

[ICEMAN!]

15 minutes ago, Edmo said:

If Obamacare is so great why do some on the left keep saying don't replace it, fix the problems with it. Something so great shouldn't need "fixed", should it?  

How many amendments does your Constitution have?

[revkevsdi]

18 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

why not 

and another topic that went over your head.....

 

Page 3 and not one of these people acknowledges that Both Trump and the Republican party has been feeding them shit. The Republicans have promised a better plan since ACA was introduced and Trump ever since he announced his run for the job. He kept promising he had a great plan and he has yet to show his plan or take any heat from his voters for lying about having a plan.

Would they be ok if a sled dealer promised them a 2018 special edition and good money on their 4 year old sled on trade. But when fall arrives he shows them an 90 Formulas Plus and shrugs.  

Trumpsters appear to be ready to drive away with the Formula.

 

[Edmo]

13 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

How many amendments does your Constitution have?

Almost 250 years compared to 6? Great comparison Einstein.  

[ICEMAN!]

2 minutes ago, Edmo said:

Almost 250 years compared to 6? Great comparison Einstein.  

When was the first Constitutional Amendment ratified?

[Snoslinger]

33 minutes ago, Edmo said:

If Obamacare is so great why do some on the left keep saying don't replace it, fix the problems with it. Something so great shouldn't need "fixed", should it?  

i haven't read where one lefty said OC was great. all have said it has some areas that need fixed. for starters, i'd increase the penalty for not participating by alot.

 

[Edmo]

1 minute ago, Snoslinger said:

i haven't read where one lefty said OC was great. all have said it has some areas that need fixed. for starters, i'd increase the penalty for not participating by alot.

 

Yeah, that part is a huge problem. The cadillac tax was also supposed to pay for some of it along with the younger and healthier folks. Without those ingredients it's not going to work as planned.