Capt.Storm Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: Send a notice saying he would prefer she abort. If she does not then he has no obligation I have had that thought before but it will never happen of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: But I go one step further. A guy should be able to opt out. Send a notice saying he would prefer she abort. If she does not then he has no obligation Ya that sounds like a manly thing to.do....gafb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounder Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Never ending ddebate. Pro choice ,anti abortion, if that makes any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 11 hours ago, revkevsdi said: Rounder, It makes sense to me ...I concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 11 hours ago, revkevsdi said: Conservatives believe in freedom from government control. Unless it is the government controlling a woman. Liberal's believe in actual freedom of choice. A woman is free choose what happens to her. I think it is up to the woman to decide completely. The guy can try to talk her into keeping it, he can offer her stability to keep it but in the end she should decide. most women agree with that. But I go one step further. A guy should be able to opt out. Send a notice saying he would prefer she abort. If she does not then he has no obligation Unless it is the government controlling health care or owning a firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Rounder said: Never ending ddebate. Pro choice ,anti abortion, if that makes any sense. will always be a wedge issue. too many controlling factors. religious, economic, health, politics, personal experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalina Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 14 hours ago, revkevsdi said: Conservatives believe in freedom from government control. Unless it is the government controlling a woman. Liberal's believe in actual freedom of choice. A woman is free choose what happens to her. I think it is up to the woman to decide completely. The guy can try to talk her into keeping it, he can offer her stability to keep it but in the end she should decide. most women agree with that. But I go one step further. A guy should be able to opt out. Send a notice saying he would prefer she abort. If she does not then he has no obligation The problem with this part is the fact that there is a third person involved, who doesn't seem to have a say, but if they did have a say, my bet is that in most every case they would choose to be born. This is what makes the subject so complex and difficult, and NEVER should be left out of the conversation. That is not to say that I think it should never happen, and I agree that the woman should have some right to choose. I just wish that they would exercise that right more often by using birth control BEFORE they get pregnant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 On May 26, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Catalina said: The problem with this part is the fact that there is a third person involved, who doesn't seem to have a say, but if they did have a say, my bet is that in most every case they would choose to be born. This is what makes the subject so complex and difficult, and NEVER should be left out of the conversation. That is not to say that I think it should never happen, and I agree that the woman should have some right to choose. I just wish that they would exercise that right more often by using birth control BEFORE they get pregnant. To believe your side you have to believe they are a person before 3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 I know..those damn pesky embryos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumulus Nimbus Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 abortion is the wrong choice unless it is for a real medical reason or a rape in the very early stages of the pregnancy. what we need to see is far more resources in getting babies adopted. all we here is how we need to grow our populace, how we need more immigrants, so why not allow those that will be born here to live. many people have to go through hell to adopt, it has to be easier and free for those looking to do so and in a position to raise a child in a loving home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalina Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 On 5/28/2016 at 9:07 AM, revkevsdi said: To believe your side you have to believe they are a person before 3 months. Well, I guess I do. If it is a person after 4 months (16 weeks), and it is after 14 weeks, and after 13 weeks, why not after 12 11, or 10? How do we know when it's OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 31, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2016 On 5/28/2016 at 8:07 AM, revkevsdi said: To believe your side you have to believe they are a person before 3 months. Then how can someone be charged with murder if its not a person? http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Then how can someone be charged with murder if its not a person? http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*). Interesting read that was. You would think by reading all that if the "mother" was doing drugs or a lot of drinking ..whatever..that if the baby was born with problems or died , she should be held liable it would seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 31, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2016 Just now, Capt.Storm said: Interesting read that was. You would think by reading all that if the "mother" was doing drugs or a lot of drinking ..whatever..that if the baby was born with problems or died , she should be held liable it would seem. You have to laugh at the hypocrisy of some of them. In other words if the mom wants the baby its person, if not its not. defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability and specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 just amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 8 hours ago, Highmark said: Then how can someone be charged with murder if its not a person? http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*). 7 hours ago, Capt.Storm said: Interesting read that was. You would think by reading all that if the "mother" was doing drugs or a lot of drinking ..whatever..that if the baby was born with problems or died , she should be held liable it would seem. 7 hours ago, Highmark said: You have to laugh at the hypocrisy of some of them. In other words if the mom wants the baby its person, if not its not. defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability and specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal. Well, then you better be ready for the government to make sure no harm comes to the child. Charge anyone for smoking near a pregnant woman. After the kid is born better make sure you don't smoke in your house or car. If the Mother can't care for the child, better pony up some money to support her in a way she can properly nourish that child. If you want to force a woman to go through with a pregnancy then your involvement shouldn't end at birth. Welfare it up all you champions of fetal rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) Maybe if "she" was more careful to not get pregnant that could help..or maybe give it up for adoption if shes that fawked up that she can't care for it. But your simpleton answer my friend revkev is to just kill "it" off. sad. One in five get a abortion ..way to damn high. Edited June 1, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 The simple answer is that the last thing this world needs is more people. If someone believes that abortion is the wrong choice for them, great. But you should not force people to make those choices. If you wanted more people to go through with the pregnancy you would be rallying to improve conditions for pregnant women. You would not be trying to defund planned parenthood. Simple fact is that even putting a kid up for adoption will still cost a women more in lost time at work and health costs than she can afford. How much maternity leave is allowed in the US? If a girl has made it to college, can most afford to fail because of the pregnancy and start over? Let's face it the loonies who preach abstinence over birth control aren't helping. How many unplanned kids can we handle from the Palins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Maybe the tards should implement population control since we don't really want these kids anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, revkevsdi said: The simple answer is that the last thing this world needs is more people. If someone believes that abortion is the wrong choice for them, great. But you should not force people to make those choices. If you wanted more people to go through with the pregnancy you would be rallying to improve conditions for pregnant women. You would not be trying to defund planned parenthood. Simple fact is that even putting a kid up for adoption will still cost a women more in lost time at work and health costs than she can afford. How much maternity leave is allowed in the US? If a girl has made it to college, can most afford to fail because of the pregnancy and start over? Let's face it the loonies who preach abstinence over birth control aren't helping. How many unplanned kids can we handle from the Palins? Maybe you missed the memo on birth control..you know,those little pills! And get this they even have a morning after pill! I sure hope you wear a condom! It's all about responsibility...agreed? Edited June 1, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 I think my main problem is that I always thought women were so much more ethical and moral then men. Now I realize for the most part (at least for the last few generations) I'm delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 54 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: Maybe you missed the memo on birth control..you know,those little pills! And get this they even have a morning after pill! I sure hope you wear a condom! It's all about responsibility...agreed? The morning after pill that the right fought against. Birth control Pills that the right fought hard against. Where is a girl suppose to get access to this stuff if her parents are against it? Maybe you guys can't remember being young but sometimes stuff happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Just now, revkevsdi said: The morning after pill that the right fought against. Birth control Pills that the right fought hard against. Where is a girl suppose to get access to this stuff if her parents are against it? Maybe you guys can't remember being young but sometimes stuff happens. I have no problem with birth control..in fact I think all women should be able to get it free! Funny in this day and age a 14 year old girl can get a abortion in Ny with out any parental consent but she can't get the pill without it. Explain that to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 10 hours ago, Capt.Storm said: Maybe if "she" was more careful to not get pregnant that could help..or maybe give it up for adoption if shes that fawked up that she can't care for it. But your simpleton answer my friend revkev is to just kill "it" off. sad. One in five get a abortion ..way to damn high. LMFAO. That is crazy talk!!!!! People should be able to make as many poor lifestyle choices as possible and others who are responsible should pick up the check. end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.