None of the candidates discuss real issues anymore.

[Crnr2Crnr]

were the auto bailouts a mistake?

 

AUTOEROTIC EXPLANATION

SEASON 13 • 12/04/2008

Congress won't bail out the people who make cars, just the people who make car loans.

https://www.cc.com/video/y5t6yy/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-autoerotic-explanation

 

[Crnr2Crnr]

10 hours ago, Matt said:

There are candidates who can have in depth conversations.  They never make it out of the first primaries.  The bases have gone full Idiocracy.

 

[ViperGTS/Z1]

8 hours ago, Deephaven said:

Jesus Christ.  The economy will take of itself.  Guess we don't need Trump or even the R's.  Do you ever think?

And then you want a war monger.  You really have fucked priorities.

Getting energy costs down will have a positive domino effect.....and yes the economy basically runs itself. We certainly didn't need a president for the self-correction when the pandemic was over.

And Trump is certainly no warmonger ...... I knew of the importance to stop Russia In the beginning....But they are no more of a  threat to us or NATO then an angry puppy at this point. It's time to stop the financial aid, The main objective has been accomplished. 

 And yes I am pro Israel and It's time to stop the terrorists of Hamas and Iran and Trump will do exactly that in short order and bring relative peace to the entire area.  He will bankrupt Iran like he did during his first term...... Not aid them like  Biden did which is what the main cause of this whole thing was.

7 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Remarks by President Trump at Signing of H.R.748, The CARES Act

Oval Office

4:10 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, thank you all very much.  This is a very important day.  I’ll sign the single-biggest economic relief package in American history and, I must say, or any other package, by the way.  It’s twice as large as any relief ever signed.  It’s $2.2 billion, but it actually goes up to 6.2 — potentially — billion dollars — trillion dollars.  So you’re talking about 6.2 trillion-dollar bill.  Nothing like that.  And this will deliver urgently needed relief to our nation’s families, workers, and businesses.  And that’s what this is all about.

And it got a 96 to nothing.  And, I don’t know, what was the number in Congress?

PARTICIPANT:  A voice vote.

THE PRESIDENT:  A voice?  It was fantastic.

PARTICIPANT:  I think it was just as close.

THE PRESIDENT:  That’s pretty amazing.  That’s about the same thing.  Right, Kevin?

LEADER MCCARTHY:  Yes.

THE PRESIDENT:  So, that’s fantastic.  But I want to thank Republicans and Democrats for coming together, setting aside their differences, and putting America first.

This legislation provides for direct payments to individuals and unprecedented support to small businesses.  We’re going to keep our small businesses strong and our big businesses strong.  And that’s keeping our country strong and our jobs strong.

This historic bill includes the following:

$300 billion in direct cash payments will be available to every American citizen earning less than $99,000 per year; $3,400 for a typical family of four.  So a family of four: $3,400.

And then $350 billion in job retention loans for small businesses, with loan forgiveness available for businesses that continue paying their workers.  The workers get paid.

Approximately $250 billion in expanded unemployment benefits.  The average worker who has lost his or her job will receive 100 percent of their salary for up to four full months.

So, things like this have never happened in our country.

$500 billion in support for hard-hit industries, with a ban on corporate stock buybacks — we don’t let them buy back the stock; we don’t let that happen — and tough limits on executive compensation.

Over $100 billion to support our heroic doctors, nurses, and hospitals.  And you see what’s happening.  And I want to thank, while we’re here, also the incredible job that’s done by the Army Corps of Engineers and by FEMA.  It’s been incredible.  They did four hospitals in two days or three days, in New York.  And they’re, like, incredible structures.  What a job they’ve been doing.  And they’re doing them all over the country.

$45 billion for the Disaster Relief Fund, supporting our state, local, and tribal leaders.

$27 billion for the development of vaccines, therapies, and other public health response efforts, including $16 billion to build up the Strategic National Stockpile with critical stockpiles.  And I’m going to — we have tremendous supplies coming into the stockpile, and you’ll be seeing that and hearing about it in a little bit because we’re doing a news conference at 5:30 on what’s happening.

We’ve had tremendous results on the respirators.  We’ve had great results on just about everything we’re talking about.  Boeing just announced that they’re going to be making the plastic field shields — the actual shields, which are hard to come by, and they’re going to be making them by the thousands a week.

And the ventilators, which is probably the most difficult because it’s like — it’s like building a car — we will be announcing thousands of — are going to be built and we have them under contract and we have fast deliveries.  As you know, we delivered thousands to New York.  And unfortunately — they were delivered to a warehouse, which was good — unfortunately, they didn’t take them, but now they’re taking them.  New York is now taking them and redistributing them around the areas that they need.

So you have also $3.5 billion to states to expand childcare benefits for healthcare workers, first responders, and others on the frontlines of this crisis, and $1 billion for securing supplies under the Defense Protection Act.  And, as you know, I’ve enacted the act.  We’ve used it three or four times.  I pulled it back three times because the companies came through, in the end.  They didn’t need the act.  It’s been great leverage.

I have instituted it against General Electric.  We thought we had a deal for 40,000 ventilators and, all of the sudden, the 40,000 came down to 6,000.  And then they talked about a higher price than we were discussing, so I didn’t like it.  So we did — we did activate it, with respect to General Motors.  And hopefully, maybe we won’t even need the full activation.  We’ll find out.  But we need the ventilators.

I said hello today — I called him — a wonderful guy, Boris Johnson.  As you know, he tested positive.  And before he even said hello, he said, “We need ventilators.”  I said, “Wow.  That’s a big statement.”  And hopefully, he’s going to be in good shape.

I just spoke to Angela Merkel, and she’s quarantined also.  She is right now, for a period of two weeks, being forced to stay in her house.  So this is just an incredible situation.

Last night, I spoke to President Xi.  We talked about the experience that they had in China and all of the things that have taken place.  And we learned a lot.  They’ve had a very tough experience, and they’re doing well and he’s doing well.  President Xi is doing very well.  But we learned a lot and we have great communication together.

We’re going to be sent great data from China — things that happened that they see that — you know, they’ve had a — they’ve had an early experience, and we’re getting all of that information.  Much of it has already been sent.  It was sent yesterday and sent to our scientists to study.  So we’ll have more on that also.  We’ll be discussing that at 5:30.

I just want to thank the people behind me.  They’ve been incredible friends.  They’ve been warriors.  They — there’s nobody tougher or smarter than the people standing alongside of me.  And I think I want to start off by asking Mitch and then Kevin to speak, and then we’re going to go through a few of the folks in the room if they’d like to say something.

But, Mitch, I’d like — I’d love to say a few words because you — this man worked 24 hours a day for a long time.  This is the result.  It’s the biggest ever — ever approved in Congress: 6.2 bill- — $6.2 trillion.  So, you know, we used to get used to the billion.  It used to be million, then it was billion, now it’s trillion.  And it’s going to go a long way.  It’s going to make a lot of people very happy.

Mitch McConnell, please.

LEADER MCCONNELL:  Thank you, Mr. President.  Let me just say this is a proud moment for our country, for the President.  The Republicans and the Democrats all pulled together and passed the biggest bill in history in record time.

I also want to thank Kevin McCarthy and our leaders on the Republican side in the House who helped speed this through to passage.  The American people needed this rescue package, they needed it quickly, and we delivered.  It’s a proud moment for all of us.  Mr. President, thanks for the opportunity to be here.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.  I’d love to shake your hand, but Anthony would get angry at me if I did that.  (Laughter.)  So I better not do it.  I can’t — it’s so natural.  I just want to go back and shake his hand.

They’ve done such an incredible job.  Kevin, please.

LEADER MCCARTHY:  Yeah, I do want to start.  I want to thank all — the real — the real answer to America is: We’re listening to you.  You do your part, and we’re going to do ours, and that’s exactly what’s happening today.

What Leader McConnell did was amazing.  He made it bipartisan, bicameral.  Everybody was involved.  I wish we could have signed this earlier this week; maybe there wouldn’t be as many people who are out of work.  But this will put people back to work.

I also want to thank Secretary Mnuchin.  You’ve done an amazing job, and we thank you for that, and all the team that’s here.

Look, as I said in my speech, the virus is here.  We didn’t ask for it.  We didn’t invite it.  We didn’t choose it.  But we are going to defeat it together because we’re going to work together, and this is the first start of it.  The hospitals will get money — the money they need.  The small businesses will be able to hire their employees back.  That is a grant; you don’t have to borrow from that place.  The other businesses get a retention to keep your employees on.  This has something for everything.

And to the task force and the Vice President, all the work that you’re doing with this President, this will be the needed resources you need as well.  And thank you for that, and thank you for your leadership, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT:  Very special.

Mike Pence?  Mike?  Could you please say something?  You’ve been working very hard, in charge of our task force.  And then I’d like to ask Steve to say a few words.

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, Mr. President.  Thanks for giving me the opportunity just to express all of our appreciation and the gratitude to the American people for the accomplishment that’s reflected in the legislation that you’ll sign in just a few moments.

You told the American people that we would do whatever it takes.  You called on the Congress to step forward to make coronavirus testing free for every American, to make paid family leave available.

The Congress, with the leaders gathered around us here, stepped forward in a bipartisan fashion and delivered.  But today, every American family, every American business, can know that help is on the way.

And I want to thank Leader McConnell for his yeoman’s work in really forging a bipartisan bill in the United States Senate.  I want to thank Leader McCarthy for his great work.  But as the President said, I also want to thank the Democrat and Republican leadership across the House and Senate.  This is an American accomplishment.  And, Mr. President, it’s exactly what you asked the Congress to deliver for the American people.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much, Mike.  And Steve Mnuchin, you know how hard he’s been working.  And, Steve, please say a few words.

SECRETARY MNUCHIN:  Mr. President, thank you very much for your leadership and for the Vice President’s leadership.  You made it very clear to us, last week, we should think big, that this was a war on the virus, and that we should have the resources to protect American workers and American business.

And I’d like to thank the Senate.  It was a great honor, Mitch, to work with you and everyone on a bipartisan basis to get this done.  This is going to be a great thing for the American workers.  And, Kevin McCarthy, thank you for all the work in the House did to pass this quickly.

So, at Treasury, as I’ve said, we are committed to move forward quickly, and we’re going to get money in people’s pockets quickly.

Thank you, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT:  Great job, Steve.  Gene?  Please.

SECRETARY SCALIA:  This is a great day for American workers, protecting American workers, American jobs.  It’s been a hallmark of this presidency, and this bill today is another very important step in that direction.  It includes unprecedented support for American workers who’ve lost their jobs, through no fault of their own because of this virus, and gives them, as near as we could, the same wage they would have gotten, through unemployment insurance if they’d been able to keep their jobs, for up to four months.

I think even more important, it includes $350 billion in loans for small business, but it’s structured in a way to incentivize them to keep their workers on payroll so that those loans could be forgiven at the end of the period.
And it comes on top of legislation the President asked — signed last week for paid leave for workers who have to be at home because of the virus.  Paid leave reimbursed in full, dollar for dollar, to the employers.  It’s the first federal paid leave law for the private sector ever.  And that also was achieved on an unprecedented, bipartisan basis.

This is the third major bipartisan piece of legislation in three weeks — three bills, three weeks — to address this virus.

So again, I want to thank the President for his leadership, his commitment to American workers, the Vice President as well, and Leader McConnell, and also my colleague, Secretary Mnuchin who did work so hard to help you get this done.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, Gene, very much.

Dr. Fauci, you may want to just say for a minute what hit the world.  Something hit the world, and the world maybe will never be the quite same.  But we’re going to make it a great place anyway.  But certainly, you could maybe say a few words about it, please.

DR. FAUCI:  Well, thank you, Mr. President.  And I want to thank everyone involved in this.  This is what America is all about: a bipartisan approach, with your leadership, to do something that’s sorely needed by the American people.

Dr. Birx and I and all of our medical people here are fighting the virus directly.  But the virus has an impact on the American people, both directly by illness and death, but also indirectly, because many of the things that we have to do to suppress the virus has a negative impact because of what we’re doing.  To give them relief economically is absolutely essential.

So I feel really, really good about what’s happening today.  Thank you all very much.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, Tony.  Thank you very much.

Deborah, perhaps you could say a few words or so about —

DR. BIRX:  Well, thank you, Mr. President.  Dr. Fauci covered it very well.  As many of you know, I worked for him and he was my mentor 40 years ago.

I think whenever we start with one of these very serious diseases and a pandemic, the President’s first goal was ensuring the health of the American people, and that’s why we put out these very strong guidance.

It’s been a pleasure to work with the economic team here because they understand data in the same way.  Economic data and health data is very similar in how you have to interpret it in a very granular way.  And I think recognizing that the health of the American people is first, but the economic value of the nation is also critical.

And I just want to thank all of you for what you’ve done for the American people today.

THE PRESIDENT:  Great job you’re doing too.  Thank you.

Kevin, please.

REPRESENTATIVE BRADY:  So just 20 days ago, I don’t know that anyone could have imagined how hard we’ve been hit medically or economically.  But 20 days ago, I don’t think anyone could have imagined Congress pulling together so quickly and so forcefully behind what the President identified we needed for this country.  This is a proud moment for all of us.  And it’s just an example of what leadership can provide here in the White House, and then how we can respond as a Congress.

So thank you, Mr. President, for your leadership.

THE PRESIDENT:  And I’m just saying, as Kevin is saying that, 20 days ago — a couple of days longer than that, maybe — we had a smooth-running, beautiful machine.  We had the greatest economy in the history of our country.  We had the highest stock price we’ve ever seen.  It went up, I think, 151 times during the course of the presidency.  And then we got hit by the invisible enemy, and we got hit hard.  But it wasn’t just us, it was 151 countries, I think, as of the — as of this morning.

And you call Germany and speak to Angela — she’s in quarantine.  And as you know, Boris was diagnosed that he’s positive.  And all of the things that are happening, it’s hard to believe what’s gone on just in a short period of time.

And because of the talent behind me and lots of other talent in government, what we’ve done — this is a big part of it, obviously, but not the biggest part.  Everybody has pulled together.  Our nation has pulled together.  The spirit is incredible.  The people have pulled together more than anyone and better than anybody.  And they’re doing really, really well.

But just to think how life can change where you go, 20 to 22 days ago, everything is perfect, we’re looking forward.  I’m saying, “When are we going to hit 30,000?  I want 30,000.”  That means more jobs and more everything.  And then, one day, we get hit with this thing that nobody ever heard of before.  Nobody ever even heard of before.  And now we’re fighting a different battle.

But I really think, in a fairly short period of time, because of what they’ve done and what everyone has done, I really think we’re going to be stronger than ever.  And we’ll be protected from a lot of this.  A lot of the things, Anthony, that we’ve done now — that we’re doing now — are going to protect us in the future if this should happen again.

DR. FAUCI:  Absolutely.

THE PRESIDENT:  From testing to so many other —

DR. FAUCI:  Vaccines.

THE PRESIDENT:  Even stockpiles.  Right?

DR. FAUCI:  And vaccines.

THE PRESIDENT:  Yeah, the vaccines, hopefully.  And vaccines, cures, therapeutics — whatever you want to call it — it’s a lot of progress.  And I think on that score, I think we’re going to do a lot of progress on vaccines.  We’re making, perhaps, a lot of progress on cures and therapeutics.  We’ll be letting you know.

Anybody else have anything?  Greg, please.  Go ahead, fellas.

REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN:  I would just say, I’ve never seen you shy away from a challenge.  Your leadership and your policies and this great team brought America this enormous economy.  And guess what?  You get to do it again.  This bill is the next step in that, and we can build back this economy with your leadership and with the healthcare team you’ve got here too.  We’re doing the right thing for the American people, and they know that.  I can tell you that from the ground.  It’s not easy.  It’s not easy.

THE PRESIDENT:  No, it’s not.

REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN:  We don’t want to shelter in place, as Americans.  We want to be out, especially northwest.

THE PRESIDENT:  Yeah.

REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN:  But we know we have to do this for the safety of our relatives and families and our community and our country.  So thanks for your leadership —

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much.

REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN:  — and the great team you’ve assembled.

THE PRESIDENT:  Appreciate it very much.

REPRESENTATIVE CHABOT:  On behalf of small businesses, they’re the backbone of the American economy.  About half the people that work in America work for a small business, and they’re hurting out there right now.  I’m from Ohio.  I’m the ranking member of the House Small Business Committee.  And back there, nonessential small businesses are shut down.

Without this legislation, it’s questionable whether they would reopen.  Because of this legislation, they now have a great chance of that.  And those people that work for small businesses, who are shuttered now, will be paid.  That’s really important.  This wouldn’t have passed without your leadership, Mr. President.  Thank you.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much.  And, you know, Eric worked so hard.  You all know Eric.  And he was at Steve’s side the whole way.  And where is our man?  Do I see Larry?  Yeah, Larry.  The two of them.  How about Eric and then Larry say a couple of words and (inaudible.)

MR. UELAND:  Well, thank you very much, Mr. President.  I really appreciate it, and Mr. Vice President, as well.  So you encouraged your team to be bold, be brave, and go big.  And we certainly delivered today.  (Laughter.)  $6.2 trillion is tremendous.  So we’ve made sure that we can reassure Americans that their paycheck is protected and that their earnings are protected.  We’ve made sure that we can provide significant reinforcement to the American economy as a result of your leadership.

And, finally, looking ahead to address the virus, we’ve included significant resources in order to ensure that those therapies and ultimately that vaccine can come online as quickly as possible.  So, protecting the public health and protecting the economic health of America is what you’ve directed us to do.  And together, with the team, we’ve worked hard to deliver today.

Thank you very much, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much.  And Steve is going to work very hard on getting the money out quickly, and hopefully it can be distributed very quickly, especially when they have some old computer equipment that they have to use.  But you’re going to work on that very hard.

SECRETARY MNUCHIN:  We are indeed.

THE PRESIDENT:  Larry, please.  Larry Kudlow.

MR. KUDLOW:  Oh, thanks, sir.  Just hats off to Mitch McConnell who did an amazing job, and House leadership as well.  And I agree with the bipartisanship.  I want to give special thanks to my friend Steven Mnuchin, who I think did an extraordinary job.  We were up there helping him out in one spot or another.  But he’s indefatigable and got it done.

And I’ll just say this, Mr. President: A few months ago, this economy was roaring and we’ve hit this — literally, this bug, this virus.  And we will deal with it.  And I think the assistance bill here, which does have growth incentives, will help lead us back to a very strong economic rebound before this year is over.

Thank you, sir.

THE PRESIDENT:  I think that too.  I think we’re going to have a tremendous rebound at the end of the year — toward the end of the year.  I think we’re going to have a rebound like we have never seen before.  Even now it wants to rebound.  You can see it, feel it.  It wants to rebound so badly.

And, you know, we’ve had those really big — I guess, the biggest-ever stock market surge two days ago.  And yesterday, it was great.  Three biggest days in the history of the stock market.  It wants to rebound so badly, but we have to get rid of the bug, we have to get rid of the virus.

Now, I’m going to sign this, and it’s a great honor — $6.2 trillion.  I’ve never signed anything with a “T” on it.  (Laughter.)  I don’t know if I can handle this one, Mitch.  (Laughter.)  We can’t chicken out at this point, can we?.  (Laughter.)  I don’t think so, huh?

All right.  Thank you all.

(The CARES Act is signed.)

THE PRESIDENT:  Good.  I wanted them to be a nice signature. (Applause.)  Come on, fellas.  Come on over here.  Elaine.  What a job she’s doing with transportation.  How’s transportation?  Okay?

SECRETARY CHAO:  Fine.  You always talk about the supply chain.

THE PRESIDENT:  I do.

SECRETARY CHAO:  It’s really important.

THE PRESIDENT:  I do.

SECRETARY CHAO:  This bill is going to help the supply chain and the workers.

THE PRESIDENT:  Anthony?  Thank you.  Thanks, Tony, very much.  Bob Lighthizer, thank you very much.  Bob was a little less involved in this.  He’s too busy making trade deals.

Okay?  You have one?  You definitely have to have one.  Go ahead.  You’re all set.

Thank you, everybody.  So we’re going to have a 5:30 news conference in the same location.  Seems to be doing quite well.  And we appreciate everything.  And we really appreciate the fairness, at least from most of the press.  We really do.  Thank you very much, everybody.  Thank you.  Thank you very much.

Q    Mr. President, there was that rare moment of agreement today between you and Senator Kerry over —

THE PRESIDENT:  That’s right.

Q    — this issue with Massie.  Can you expand a bit on that?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, he made a little joke about a man named Congressman Massie.  I thought he was totally out of line — Congressman Massie.  Because of that, I guess a lot of people had to come back, and they had to go into a place, which, frankly, we’re not supposed to be at, you know, in light of — of what we’re doing with Deborah and Tony and all of the professionals.

So people had to come back, and just no reason for it.  So John Kerry made a little joke out of it, and I agreed with his joke.  And I said, I never knew he had that kind of a personality.  But we actually put it up, and he was right.

Okay, we’ll see you in a couple of minutes, folks.  Thank you very much.

END

4:33 P.M. EDT

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-signing-h-r-748-cares-act/

conservative?   sounds like a swamp creature... 

 Good luck on anyone reading that

[Crnr2Crnr]

8 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

Good luck on anyone reading that

that's your boy... it's him talking... you don't live in reality

[Skidooski]

9 hours ago, Deephaven said:

Not voting for Trump is NOT a vote for Biden.   Are you the only one on here dumber than AC or Viper?

Some really struggle with this. I guess they are just mad when people don't vote for their team   

[steve from amherst]

1 hour ago, 1jkw said:

Like bailouts, tariffs, and PPP?

Mainecat says ppp saved the economy 

[Deephaven]

2 hours ago, Steve753 said:

Most conservatives won't vote for Trump and understand why they won't vote for him. Trumpers vote for Trump because they've lost touch with reality. It's easy to see this any time they are interviewed. 

 

Exactly.  To prove Steve wrong, go find an eloquent interview with someone wearing a MAGA hat and Trump shirt.  None of them are ever.  Fucking bunch of imbeciles. 

 

 

[Deephaven]

 

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

are you confusing Bush with Obama?  did you forget Chrysler?  

https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/troubled-asset-relief-program

not a real sharp cookie are you?

 

Think he ate the sharp cookies

1 hour ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

Getting energy costs down will have a positive domino effect.....and yes the economy basically runs itself. We certainly didn't need a president for the self-correction when the pandemic was over.

 

Why do you care about voting for Trump on the economy so much if it runs itself?

Do you seriously ever think?  Yes, people have more money if the energy costs go down but just watch something else inflate to take that money right back.  As for the other self-correction, time of war, strife, or problems always have a rebound.  That rebound could have been way better with real leadership but we won't get that from Trump.

1 hour ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

And Trump is certainly no warmonger ......

Wasn't talking about Trump, but you.

[Crnr2Crnr]

1 minute ago, Deephaven said:

 

Think he ate the sharp cookies

Why do you care about voting for Trump on the economy so much if it runs itself?

Do you seriously ever think?  Yes, people have more money if the energy costs go down but just watch something else inflate to take that money right back.  As for the other self-correction, time of war, strife, or problems always have a rebound.  That rebound could have been way better with real leadership but we won't get that from Trump.

Wasn't talking about Trump, but you.

no... neither of them are big picture thinkers that live in a fact based world. 

[Steve753]

26 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

 

Think he ate the sharp cookies

Why do you care about voting for Trump on the economy so much if it runs itself?

Do you seriously ever think?  Yes, people have more money if the energy costs go down but just watch something else inflate to take that money right back.  As for the other self-correction, time of war, strife, or problems always have a rebound.  That rebound could have been way better with real leadership but we won't get that from Trump.

Wasn't talking about Trump, but you.

Viper thinks like a teenage girl. He likes Trump, but he doesn't know why!

[ViperGTS/Z1]

9 minutes ago, Steve753 said:

Viper thinks like a teenage girl. He likes Trump, but he doesn't know why!

Oh I know exactly why....will Shut down the riff Raff coming in from the border that you seem to approve of and perhaps will Mass Deport as well.....will lower energy costs, which will reduce inflation and help improve the overall economy.....both you and Deep can't comprehend this.    Once again, I will be betting that  gas prices drop a minimum of 10% within 3 months of inauguration.     And if he sticks to his promises, will release the wrongly accused January 6th tourists.    I'm all for all these points..... Only a partial reason of why he gets my vote.

MAGA 24 !

[racer254]

8 hours ago, 1jkw said:

No, farm bailouts the one that was more than the auto bailout and zero dollars got paid back,   PPP that was as much as the entire stimulus,  thanks Trump.

Most everyone here was for these bailouts.  Incuding ppp.  So now you're mad at trump for something you wanted?

[1jkw]

19 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Most everyone here was for these bailouts.  Incuding ppp.  So now you're mad at trump for something you wanted?

You cried for years about the auto bailout, but silent on the way more expensive farm bailout, I don't recall many here liking PPP.  I wanted at least 50 K in stimulus checks. Now you're happy about something you hated before, I wonder why.

[racer254]

3 hours ago, 1jkw said:

You cried for years about the auto bailout, but silent on the way more expensive farm bailout, I don't recall many here liking PPP.  I wanted at least 50 K in stimulus checks. Now you're happy about something you hated before, I wonder why.

Lol, keep trying to assign a position.  In no way have i ever EVER advocated for bailouts.  But you and many others have and now bitch about it.  Hypocrites.

[1jkw]

30 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Lol, keep trying to assign a position.  In no way have i ever EVER advocated for bailouts.  But you and many others have and now bitch about it.  Hypocrites.

You assigned your own position by crying about the auto bailout for years, but your near silence about a larger and zero payback bailout spells you out perfectly, not to mention your constant defense of a president who out spent every other in our lifetime.

[Steve753]

10 hours ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

Oh I know exactly why....will Shut down the riff Raff coming in from the border that you seem to approve of and perhaps will Mass Deport as well.....will lower energy costs, which will reduce inflation and help improve the overall economy.....both you and Deep can't comprehend this.    Once again, I will be betting that  gas prices drop a minimum of 10% within 3 months of inauguration.     And if he sticks to his promises, will release the wrongly accused January 6th tourists.    I'm all for all these points..... Only a partial reason of why he gets my vote.

MAGA 24 !

I approve of legal immigrants.

[Deephaven]

7 minutes ago, Steve753 said:

I approve of legal immigrants.

I've hired a bunch of them.  Americans are generally too lazy to study enough math to make them useful to me.

[Carlos Danger]

Nobody has the patience for discussion on real issues.

[racer254]

21 minutes ago, 1jkw said:

You assigned your own position by crying about the auto bailout for years, but your near silence about a larger and zero payback bailout spells you out perfectly, not to mention your constant defense of a president who out spent every other in our lifetime.

Lol, i realized that people like you will argue constantly for the bailouts.  I have argued against every bailout, you on the other hand argued constantly against me.  How has that worked?  Some people just don't get it, i can't help them.

[1jkw]

29 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Lol, i realized that people like you will argue constantly for the bailouts.  I have argued against every bailout, you on the other hand argued constantly against me.  How has that worked?  Some people just don't get it, i can't help them.

You fully support someone who had a larger bailout with zero payback, all while saying you are against them, you fully support the largest spender in our lifetime while claiming to be against spending.  How do you square that?  

Nobody can get you, because you make no sense, none.

[racer254]

8 hours ago, 1jkw said:

You fully support someone who had a larger bailout with zero payback, all while saying you are against them, you fully support the largest spender in our lifetime while claiming to be against spending.  How do you square that?  

Nobody can get you, because you make no sense, none.

I support cutting taxes and cutting budgets.  Why didin't you or others when it was needed?

[Deephaven]

43 minutes ago, racer254 said:

I support cutting taxes and cutting budgets.  Why didin't you or others when it was needed?

So not Trump.  Got it.

[Crnr2Crnr]

1 hour ago, racer254 said:

I support cutting taxes and cutting budgets.  Why didin't you or others when it was needed?

how do you feel about your tax dollars being spent on... 

Today, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) Economic Research Service (ERS) released new farm income and farm subsidy projections for 2023. The numbers are staggering: $12.6 billion in government payments are expected to go out Uncle Sam’s door this year, despite agriculture coming off a year of record farm income last year. 

USDA-ERS reports that 2022 set a new record for the highest level of net farm income in agriculture (in inflation-adjusted dollars, since USDA recordkeeping began in 1910). While farm subsidy levels will likely decrease from a record level of $46 billion (set during the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic), federal subsidies are still expected to remain at excessively high levels. Certain federal farm subsidies flow to individuals who do not need such high levels of U.S. taxpayer support.

2023 net farm income: USDA-ERS projects net farm income, for the U.S. agriculture sector as a whole, to reach $141.3 billion this year. If realized, it would be the 5th highest level of income U.S. agriculture has experienced in the past half century (in real, inflation-adjusted dollars).

https://www.taxpayer.net/agriculture/2023-farm-subsidies/

?????

Mind you, I have nothing against farmers but that's a chunk of change. 

 

Edited March 14 by Crnr2Crnr

[1jkw]

1 hour ago, racer254 said:

I support cutting taxes and cutting budgets.  Why didin't you or others when it was needed?

Yet you 100% support the biggest spender, sorry you can't have it both ways.

[Deephaven]

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Mind you, I have nothing against farmers but that's a chunk of change. 

And generally hurts the ones that have their shit together and helps the incompetent.  Stupid fucking bill.