XCR1250 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Texas drunk drivers will now have to pay child support if they kill a parent, guardian MICHELLE WATSON, CNN September 2, 2023 at 7:48 AM Brandon Bell/Getty Images A new law in Texas requires convicted drunk drivers to pay child support if they kill a child’s parent or guardian, according to House Bill 393. The law, which went into effect Friday, says those convicted of intoxication manslaughter must pay restitution. The offender will be expected to make those payments until the child is 18 or until the child graduates from high school, “whichever is later,” the legislation says. Intoxication manslaughter is defined by state law as a person operating “a motor vehicle in a public place, operates an aircraft, a watercraft, or an amusement ride, or assembles a mobile amusement ride; and is intoxicated and by reason of that intoxication causes the death of another by accident or mistake.” If someone is unable to pay the restitution because they’re incarcerated, they’re expected to make payments no “later than the first anniversary of the date,” of their release, the law says. Republican Gov. Greg Abbott signed the bill in June, according to Texas’ bill tracking website. In July, Abbott said he was proud to back the legislation. “I was proud to sign HB 393 into law this year to require offenders to pay child support for the children of their victims.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 2, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 2, 2023 Good, someone has to take care of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Good, as they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just another way for the racists to try to keep Mexicans away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 It’s the least they could do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted September 3, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 3, 2023 I'm okay with this as long as it's the drunk drivers actual fault and they're over the limit. I don't even think about hopping behind the wheel after a couple beers or bringing a couple with me for the ride. But I don't think it would be fair if I was charged for someone running a stop sign or a red light and t-boning me and killing themselves..... And I would get to blame simply because I have some alcohol my breath? And not breaking the laws of the road? That's not right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 @ViperGTS/Z1, You do make a good point. That used to be the general method of determining liability. There are plenty of statistics to show that bad driving is what causes accidents. The courts have changed over time. Now, the driver with alcohol is automatically liable whether or not the driving was the cause. The courts vary by state, but it is the general practice to place the liability on the drunk driver. One other area where the courts are changing is related to using a device I.E. cell phone. Some of those distracted driver liability rulings are similar to drunk driving. I would not be surprised if Texas tries to tie in distracted driving in the near future. The true reality is that we need to get rid of bad driving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Uber. Taxi. Friends. Walk. Feel free to put a gun to your head, not to mine. Do you get such enjoyment out of 1 or 2 beers that it is worth the possible consequences? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted September 4, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Snake said: Uber. Taxi. Friends. Walk. Feel free to put a gun to your head, not to mine. Do you get such enjoyment out of 1 or 2 beers that it is worth the possible consequences? Absolutely.....ain't stopping after doing it 44 plus years...love roadie's....I know the risk and I'm a gambler I guess. Never gotten a DUI . And have passed every sobriety test ever given. Cept the time I was mixing Quaaludes with alcohol and I stepped on the cops foot.....was 100 yards away from home, knew the cop and let me continue to drive home...Different world back then. The old saying of people on ludes should not drive is absolutely correct.(Fast times Ridgemont). Never stopped at the end of my driveway and ended up in backyard. My Mom said I crawled upstairs to bed....remember none of that. It would be some goon blowing a stop 🛑 sign or driving like an idiot to take me out with him these days....It won't be my fault And I am rarely if ever over the limit anymore. Don't tell me your one of those ex drinkers who has a problem with everyone else.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Absolutely.....ain't stopping after doing it 44 plus years...love roadie's....I know the risk and I'm a gambler I guess. Never gotten a DUI . And have passed every sobriety test ever given. Cept the time I was mixing Quaaludes with alcohol and I stepped on the cops foot.....was 100 yards away from home, knew the cop and let me continue to drive home...Different world back then. The old saying of people on ludes should not drive is absolutely correct.(Fast times Ridgemont). Never stopped at the end of my driveway and ended up in backyard. My Mom said I crawled upstairs to bed....remember none of that. It would be some goon blowing a stop 🛑 sign or driving like an idiot to take me out with him these days....It won't be my fault And I am rarely if ever over the limit anymore. Don't tell me your one of those ex drinkers who has a problem with everyone else.... I thought I was invincible once too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted September 4, 2023 Author Share Posted September 4, 2023 8 hours ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Absolutely.....ain't stopping after doing it 44 plus years...love roadie's....I know the risk and I'm a gambler I guess. Never gotten a DUI . And have passed every sobriety test ever given. Cept the time I was mixing Quaaludes with alcohol and I stepped on the cops foot.....was 100 yards away from home, knew the cop and let me continue to drive home...Different world back then. The old saying of people on ludes should not drive is absolutely correct.(Fast times Ridgemont). Never stopped at the end of my driveway and ended up in backyard. My Mom said I crawled upstairs to bed....remember none of that. It would be some goon blowing a stop 🛑 sign or driving like an idiot to take me out with him these days....It won't be my fault And I am rarely if ever over the limit anymore. Don't tell me your one of those ex drinkers who has a problem with everyone else.... In Wisconsin you can be considered Impaired even if you've only drank 1 or 2 Beers and passed a sobriety test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted September 4, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Snake said: I thought I was invincible once too.... Invincibility has nothing to do with it.... I'd be much more afraid of distracted drivers on phones or the surge of stoners on the road, (driving at work with doors open-can get a nice whiff of potent stuff from other vehicles more often than you may think)....than someone that has 1 beer in the center console driving even more aware than he would if the beer wasn't there. I'm taking a very small amount of risk myself of being hit by someone else....but certainly not a risk to you or anyone else on the road.....so no gun to your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted September 4, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: In Wisconsin you can be considered Impaired even if you've only drank 1 or 2 Beers and passed a sobriety test. Yeah.... I'm not even sure what the limit is around here anymore. But zero tolerance is becoming more of the norm I guess. Again, just a beer or 2 is about all I drink anymore....nice relaxing buzz. Yesterday I did have 4 beers from about 5 o'clock to 10 at night. 2 on my ride home from Pa. Never would have been over the limit during that time frame, so I really don't have a concern on legal limits....but like you said, considered impaired leaves the door wide open for authority discretion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 4, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Yeah.... I'm not even sure what the limit is around here anymore. But zero tolerance is becoming more of the norm I guess. Again, just a beer or 2 is about all I drink anymore....nice relaxing buzz. Yesterday I did have 4 beers from about 5 o'clock to 10 at night. 2 on my ride home from Pa. Never would have been over the limit during that time frame, so I really don't have a concern on legal limits....but like you said, considered impaired leaves the door wide open for authority discretion. jersey is .08 as are most states. I beleive with a commercial license it is 1/2 of that. Edited September 4, 2023 by steve from amherst 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 I consider distracted drivers to be the biggest threat on the roads these days. Most drunks are on the road late at night and Im home in bed by that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Invincibility has nothing to do with it.... I'd be much more afraid of distracted drivers on phones or the surge of stoners on the road, (driving at work with doors open-can get a nice whiff of potent stuff from other vehicles more often than you may think)....than someone that has 1 beer in the center console driving even more aware than he would if the beer wasn't there. I'm taking a very small amount of risk myself of being hit by someone else....but certainly not a risk to you or anyone else on the road.....so no gun to your head. By all means. Knock yourself out. Maybe after you retire, you can find the time to deal with whatever it is that makes you feel you need to have that '2 beer buzz' behind the wheel..... Edited September 4, 2023 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Zero tolerance is actually anti science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted September 4, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Snake said: By all means. Knock yourself out. Maybe after you retire, you can find the time to deal with whatever it is that makes you feel you need to have that '2 beer buzz' behind the wheel..... Dunno.....just have always liked the effects of a small dose of alcohol, cruising and some tunes.....not much to figure out and certainly not a need, just seems to go hand in hand for me. Just some of the small pleasures I enjoy. Actually retirement has me wondering if the 2 beer buzz may lead to higher amounts.....kinda like what happened when I was out of work for 6 months last year with the Chyna virus.,... or perhaps will turn me into my buddy who retired a few years ago and gave up drinking altogether because it started getting outta hand.....God I hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 26 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Dunno.....just have always liked the effects of a small dose of alcohol, cruising and some tunes.....not much to figure out and certainly not a need, just seems to go hand in hand for me. Just some of the small pleasures I enjoy. Actually retirement has me wondering if the 2 beer buzz may lead to higher amounts.....kinda like what happened when I was out of work for 6 months last year with the Chyna virus.,... or perhaps will turn me into my buddy who retired a few years ago and gave up drinking altogether because it started getting outta hand.....God I hope not. If you read that real slow...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted September 4, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Snake said: If you read that real slow...... Read it slowly several times...Yeah, not really following you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Read it slowly several times...Yeah, not really following you. Addiction is a helluva thing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Snake said: If you read that real slow...... He proves over and over he isn't very smart. Edited September 4, 2023 by Deephaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted September 4, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just now, Snake said: Addiction is a helluva thing..... Oh, I see, because I enjoy something I'm addicted. Gotcha. I guess I'm addicted to fireworks too admittedly. Yup... won't be giving up my pleasures in life anytime soon. If it means anything to you, I did give up drinking for over 6 months once.... Just for the hell of it, no real reason. Was told by many that I would actually feel better,( not that I was feeling bad to begin with)... But that turned out to be a lot of bunk.... Didn't feel any different.. No better no worse. In reality, I could take or leave drinking.... I choose to take . Free choice is great 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted September 4, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Deephaven said: He proves over and over he isn't very smart. Says the guy who posts late night angry, obviously inebriated, tirades..have a seat buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 drivers hauling wood to the mills here have gotten drunk driving charges here this year in their log trucks. Middle of the day, not cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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