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From oil and gas industry.  Pretty large impact.

 

We find that air pollution in 2016 from the oil and gas sector in the US resulted in 410,000 asthma exacerbations, 2,200 new cases of childhood asthma, and 7,500 excess deaths, with $77 billion in total health impacts. NO2 [nitrogen dioxide] was the highest contributor to health impacts (37%) followed by ozone (35%), and then PM2.5 [fine particulate matter] (28%).

When monetized, these air quality health impacts of oil and gas production exceeded estimated climate impact costs from methane leakage by a factor of 3. 

The five states with the highest impacts from oil and gas pollution – all have significant oil and gas activity – were Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Louisiana. However, Illinois and New York – states that produce very little oil and gas – still landed in the sixth and eighth spots. Pollution doesn’t respect state borders.

 

 

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"We find." :lmao:

About as accurate as coming up with how many lives are saved because of ICE ambulances or Helicoptors.   Oh how about how many people wouldn't fucking freeze to death or die of heat over the past century without the use of fossil fuels.   What a laughable post. 

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3 minutes ago, Highmark said:

"We find." :lmao:

About as accurate as coming up with how many lives are saved because of ICE ambulances or Helicoptors.   Oh how about how many people wouldn't fucking freeze to death or die of heat over the past century without the use of fossil fuels.   What a laughable post. 

So what you are saying is in your belief that on Americans there is no negative health effects from the oil and gas industry and the massive amounts of pollution it generates?

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17 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

From oil and gas industry.  Pretty large impact.

 

We find that air pollution in 2016 from the oil and gas sector in the US resulted in 410,000 asthma exacerbations, 2,200 new cases of childhood asthma, and 7,500 excess deaths, with $77 billion in total health impacts. NO2 [nitrogen dioxide] was the highest contributor to health impacts (37%) followed by ozone (35%), and then PM2.5 [fine particulate matter] (28%).

When monetized, these air quality health impacts of oil and gas production exceeded estimated climate impact costs from methane leakage by a factor of 3. 

The five states with the highest impacts from oil and gas pollution – all have significant oil and gas activity – were Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Louisiana. However, Illinois and New York – states that produce very little oil and gas – still landed in the sixth and eighth spots. Pollution doesn’t respect state borders.

 

 

Come on.  I would love for the "we" to show where and how they came up with their findings.  Until then, this is just a bunch of speculation.

 

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5 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

So what you are saying is in your belief that on Americans there is no negative health effects from the oil and gas industry and the massive amounts of pollution it generates?

No what I'm saying is the benefit to mankind of fossil fuels has outweighed any of the negatives by such a large margin that this thread is absolutely laughable.   But carry on. 

Dude do you have any idea the products made from petroleum.  Its doubtful that mankind will ever see a more important substance.    

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2 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Come on.  I would love for the "we" to show where and how they came up with their findings.  Until then, this is just a bunch of speculation.

 

Boston University School of Public Health, the University of North Carolina Institute for the Environment, PSE Healthy Energy, and the Environmental Defense Fund.

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1 minute ago, Highmark said:

No what I'm saying is the benefit to mankind of fossil fuels has outweighed any of the negatives by such a large margin that this thread is absolutely laughable.   But carry on. 

You think pollution from fossil fuels might generate $77 billion in health care cost in the US per year?

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You think pollution from fossil fuels might generate $77 billion in health care cost in the US per year?

No and your post shows absolutely no proof.  Without petroleum you couldn't even be posting on here right now making your little greenie left wing speculation. 

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3 minutes ago, Highmark said:

No and your post shows absolutely no proof. 


I think there is a significantly large dollar figure that can be put on negative health consequences from oil and gas in the US.

https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2023/air-pollution-from-oil-and-gas-production-contributes-to-thousands-of-early-deaths-childhood-asthma-cases-nationwide/#:~:text=The findings show that the,across the U.S. in 2016.

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1 minute ago, BOHICA said:

Again with zero consideration of the benefits to mankind.   Might want to look around your house....likely 95% of it or more is made from Fossil Fuels. 

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12 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Again with zero consideration of the benefits to mankind.   Might want to look around your house....likely 95% of it or more is made from Fossil Fuels. 

You don’t need to look at benefits to see the obvious negatives.  Everything has negatives which shouldn’t have a blind eye turned to them in the constant quest to do better.

 

For example.  Slavery was very financially beneficial to the United States.  But when looking at the negatives we did the right thing by ending it even though it was extremely beneficial financially.  Ending it did crash economies and livelyhoods of many.

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9 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

You don’t need to look at benefits to see the obvious negatives.  Everything has negatives which shouldn’t have a blind eye turned to them in the constant quest to do better.

So everything has negatives.  Did they do a study to compare it to anything else?  Obviously, they didn't tell anyone how they came up with the numbers so the rest of us can't do the calcs.  No, this is all just some speculation with nothing to back it up with real hard factual math.

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There no doubt that ICE are harmful to human health. How to quantify that is virtually impossible. It has been a constant legislative battle from the “70’s to make vehicles burn cleaner. The transition away from ICE to hydrogen fuel cell or EV is inevitable. It’s just that a lot of people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming. 

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10 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

There no doubt that ICE are harmful to human health. How to quantify that is virtually impossible. It has been a constant legislative battle from the “70’s to make vehicles burn cleaner. The transition away from ICE to hydrogen fuel cell or EV is inevitable. It’s just that a lot of people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming. 

EV have been around as long as ICE Vehicles.  They are not practical, until they are no one will voluntarily get them.  Simple. 

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11 minutes ago, racer254 said:

EV have been around as long as ICE Vehicles.  They are not practical, until they are no one will voluntarily get them.  Simple. 

They are practical for a lot of people. That’s why Tesla is having record profits.  Simple. 

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They are practical for a lot of people. That’s why Tesla is having record profits.  Simple. 

Can they be practical without the government putting laws against ICE?  Record profits are not strictly from practicality and you know that. 

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How much cost / healthcare burden is attributed to poor diet habits?  I guess we should just ban all fast food or convenience type food, too.  Is there any actual empirical evidence?  The reference to "Pollution doesn't respect state borders" if laughable ... actually, laughable because anyone who embraces that thought is a colossal moron. 

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21 minutes ago, Bontz said:

How much cost / healthcare burden is attributed to poor diet habits?  I guess we should just ban all fast food or convenience type food, too.  Is there any actual empirical evidence?  The reference to "Pollution doesn't respect state borders" if laughable ... actually, laughable because anyone who embraces that thought is a colossal moron. 

When you shell out (probably) well over $100k to virtue signal, you gotta make those types of statements. Who wants to toss away coin like that?

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Illegal immigration is now costing U.S. taxpayers $151 billion a year, marking a 30% increase in five years, according to a new study by a hawkish immigration group being released this week.

 

Finish the wall and save over twice as much money, and it would actually make the country stronger.

Virtual signalers have some fucked up monetary policy.....

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2 minutes ago, Snake said:

Illegal immigration is now costing U.S. taxpayers $151 billion a year, marking a 30% increase in five years, according to a new study by a hawkish immigration group being released this week.

 

Finish the wall and save over twice as much money, and it would actually make the country stronger.

Virtual signalers have some fucked up monetary policy.....

Not sure how finishing a wall will make it stronger. They will just come to legal poe. They can claim asylum anywhere.

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