Gold Member BOHICA Posted May 11, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 From oil and gas industry. Pretty large impact. We find that air pollution in 2016 from the oil and gas sector in the US resulted in 410,000 asthma exacerbations, 2,200 new cases of childhood asthma, and 7,500 excess deaths, with $77 billion in total health impacts. NO2 [nitrogen dioxide] was the highest contributor to health impacts (37%) followed by ozone (35%), and then PM2.5 [fine particulate matter] (28%). When monetized, these air quality health impacts of oil and gas production exceeded estimated climate impact costs from methane leakage by a factor of 3. The five states with the highest impacts from oil and gas pollution – all have significant oil and gas activity – were Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Louisiana. However, Illinois and New York – states that produce very little oil and gas – still landed in the sixth and eighth spots. Pollution doesn’t respect state borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 11, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) "We find." About as accurate as coming up with how many lives are saved because of ICE ambulances or Helicoptors. Oh how about how many people wouldn't fucking freeze to death or die of heat over the past century without the use of fossil fuels. What a laughable post. Edited May 11, 2023 by Highmark 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted May 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: "We find." About as accurate as coming up with how many lives are saved because of ICE ambulances or Helicoptors. Oh how about how many people wouldn't fucking freeze to death or die of heat over the past century without the use of fossil fuels. What a laughable post. So what you are saying is in your belief that on Americans there is no negative health effects from the oil and gas industry and the massive amounts of pollution it generates? Edited May 11, 2023 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, BOHICA said: From oil and gas industry. Pretty large impact. We find that air pollution in 2016 from the oil and gas sector in the US resulted in 410,000 asthma exacerbations, 2,200 new cases of childhood asthma, and 7,500 excess deaths, with $77 billion in total health impacts. NO2 [nitrogen dioxide] was the highest contributor to health impacts (37%) followed by ozone (35%), and then PM2.5 [fine particulate matter] (28%). When monetized, these air quality health impacts of oil and gas production exceeded estimated climate impact costs from methane leakage by a factor of 3. The five states with the highest impacts from oil and gas pollution – all have significant oil and gas activity – were Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Louisiana. However, Illinois and New York – states that produce very little oil and gas – still landed in the sixth and eighth spots. Pollution doesn’t respect state borders. Come on. I would love for the "we" to show where and how they came up with their findings. Until then, this is just a bunch of speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 11, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BOHICA said: So what you are saying is in your belief that on Americans there is no negative health effects from the oil and gas industry and the massive amounts of pollution it generates? No what I'm saying is the benefit to mankind of fossil fuels has outweighed any of the negatives by such a large margin that this thread is absolutely laughable. But carry on. Dude do you have any idea the products made from petroleum. Its doubtful that mankind will ever see a more important substance. Edited May 11, 2023 by Highmark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted May 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: Come on. I would love for the "we" to show where and how they came up with their findings. Until then, this is just a bunch of speculation. Boston University School of Public Health, the University of North Carolina Institute for the Environment, PSE Healthy Energy, and the Environmental Defense Fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted May 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Highmark said: No what I'm saying is the benefit to mankind of fossil fuels has outweighed any of the negatives by such a large margin that this thread is absolutely laughable. But carry on. You think pollution from fossil fuels might generate $77 billion in health care cost in the US per year? Edited May 11, 2023 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 11, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) Just now, BOHICA said: You think pollution from fossil fuels might generate $77 billion in health care cost in the US per year? No and your post shows absolutely no proof. Without petroleum you couldn't even be posting on here right now making your little greenie left wing speculation. Edited May 11, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted May 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: No and your post shows absolutely no proof. I think there is a significantly large dollar figure that can be put on negative health consequences from oil and gas in the US. https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2023/air-pollution-from-oil-and-gas-production-contributes-to-thousands-of-early-deaths-childhood-asthma-cases-nationwide/#:~:text=The findings show that the,across the U.S. in 2016. Edited May 11, 2023 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 11, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 minute ago, BOHICA said: I think there is a significant large dollar figure that can be put on negative health consequences from oil and gas in the US. https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2023/air-pollution-from-oil-and-gas-production-contributes-to-thousands-of-early-deaths-childhood-asthma-cases-nationwide/#:~:text=The findings show that the,across the U.S. in 2016. Again with zero consideration of the benefits to mankind. Might want to look around your house....likely 95% of it or more is made from Fossil Fuels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted May 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Highmark said: Again with zero consideration of the benefits to mankind. Might want to look around your house....likely 95% of it or more is made from Fossil Fuels. You don’t need to look at benefits to see the obvious negatives. Everything has negatives which shouldn’t have a blind eye turned to them in the constant quest to do better. For example. Slavery was very financially beneficial to the United States. But when looking at the negatives we did the right thing by ending it even though it was extremely beneficial financially. Ending it did crash economies and livelyhoods of many. Edited May 11, 2023 by BOHICA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Looks like Bonerdica was gut hooked again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, BOHICA said: You don’t need to look at benefits to see the obvious negatives. Everything has negatives which shouldn’t have a blind eye turned to them in the constant quest to do better. So everything has negatives. Did they do a study to compare it to anything else? Obviously, they didn't tell anyone how they came up with the numbers so the rest of us can't do the calcs. No, this is all just some speculation with nothing to back it up with real hard factual math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 There no doubt that ICE are harmful to human health. How to quantify that is virtually impossible. It has been a constant legislative battle from the “70’s to make vehicles burn cleaner. The transition away from ICE to hydrogen fuel cell or EV is inevitable. It’s just that a lot of people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, spin_dry said: There no doubt that ICE are harmful to human health. How to quantify that is virtually impossible. It has been a constant legislative battle from the “70’s to make vehicles burn cleaner. The transition away from ICE to hydrogen fuel cell or EV is inevitable. It’s just that a lot of people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming. EV have been around as long as ICE Vehicles. They are not practical, until they are no one will voluntarily get them. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, racer254 said: EV have been around as long as ICE Vehicles. They are not practical, until they are no one will voluntarily get them. Simple. They are practical for a lot of people. That’s why Tesla is having record profits. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Just now, spin_dry said: They are practical for a lot of people. That’s why Tesla is having record profits. Simple. Can they be practical without the government putting laws against ICE? Record profits are not strictly from practicality and you know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 The female version of Bonerdica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Solvents Diesel fuel Motor Oil Bearing Grease Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats Upholstery Sweaters (that explains the itchy sweater I have at home) Boats Insecticides Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes Cassettes Dishwasher parts Tool Boxes Shoe Polish Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape CD Player (do people still have these?) Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap (that explains why soap doesn’t clean oil off your hands) Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician’s Tape Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses (I thought they were made from glass) Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs Combs CD’s & DVD’s Paint Brushes Detergents Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste (Yuck) Gasoline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 How much cost / healthcare burden is attributed to poor diet habits? I guess we should just ban all fast food or convenience type food, too. Is there any actual empirical evidence? The reference to "Pollution doesn't respect state borders" if laughable ... actually, laughable because anyone who embraces that thought is a colossal moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 21 minutes ago, Bontz said: How much cost / healthcare burden is attributed to poor diet habits? I guess we should just ban all fast food or convenience type food, too. Is there any actual empirical evidence? The reference to "Pollution doesn't respect state borders" if laughable ... actually, laughable because anyone who embraces that thought is a colossal moron. When you shell out (probably) well over $100k to virtue signal, you gotta make those types of statements. Who wants to toss away coin like that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Illegal immigration is now costing U.S. taxpayers $151 billion a year, marking a 30% increase in five years, according to a new study by a hawkish immigration group being released this week. Finish the wall and save over twice as much money, and it would actually make the country stronger. Virtual signalers have some fucked up monetary policy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted May 11, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Snake said: Illegal immigration is now costing U.S. taxpayers $151 billion a year, marking a 30% increase in five years, according to a new study by a hawkish immigration group being released this week. Finish the wall and save over twice as much money, and it would actually make the country stronger. Virtual signalers have some fucked up monetary policy..... Not sure how finishing a wall will make it stronger. They will just come to legal poe. They can claim asylum anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 and here I thought we were going to discuss the boomers that should KILL THEMSELVES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Great thread. Think we all learned something. ICE is the same as slavery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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