spin_dry Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 This was overdue. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/fda-narcan-otc-naloxone/index.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 51 minutes ago, spin_dry said: This was overdue. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/fda-narcan-otc-naloxone/index.html God damned.Biden aaaarrrggfhhhhhhxjdjd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, spin_dry said: This was overdue. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/fda-narcan-otc-naloxone/index.html Wasnt the biggest reason for it to remain script so that ins would pay for it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted March 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 Stopping at the drug store before stopping at the drug dealers and re upping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 As long as they have to pay for it, and the cost isn't subsidized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Free up a lot of time for first responders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Should weed out and be able to track the buyers and drug dealers using these purchases. Like Fast and Furious only LEGALLY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, racer254 said: Should weed out and be able to track the buyers and drug dealers using these purchases. Like Fast and Furious only LEGALLY. Yeah that seems like a good use of resources…FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted March 30, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, racer254 said: Should weed out and be able to track the buyers and drug dealers using these purchases. Like Fast and Furious only LEGALLY. My buddy's daughter was revived 5 times with that stuff over a 1 year period, add that to all the time she spent in jail for parole violations and the times she was sentenced to rehab and all you do is delay the inevitable. He found her and her boyfriend dead in the downstairs portion of his house a month ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Yeah that seems like a good use of resources…FFS. Your kidding right? You do know what Fast and Furious government program did don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, SkisNH said: As long as they have to pay for it, and the cost isn't subsidized. There’s two in town right now on life support after overdosing together. Both still have brain activity. I’ve seen overdoses stay in that state for over a month before they come out of it. Then they get treated for kidney failure due to cell death and toxicity and in need of physical due to muscle death. It’s a long and expensive path back to health. Narcan would’ve prevented that cost to society. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, racer254 said: Your kidding right? You do know what Fast and Furious government program did don't you? WHO CARES!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, spin_dry said: There’s two in town right now on life support after overdosing together. Both still have brain activity. I’ve seen overdoses stay in that state for over a month before they come out of it. Then they get treated for kidney failure due to cell death and toxicity and in need of physical due to muscle death. It’s a long and expensive path back to health. Narcan would’ve prevented that cost to society. The libertarian in me says let Darwin sort it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, spin_dry said: WHO CARES!! No shit…guy gets hung up on the most obtuse crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said: My buddy's daughter was revived 5 times with that stuff over a 1 year period, add that to all the time she spent in jail for parole violations and the times she was sentenced to rehab and all you do is delay the inevitable. He found her and her boyfriend dead in the downstairs portion of his house a month ago. My buddy will run on the same people twice in one night. Usually death is what cures their addiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted March 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said: My buddy's daughter was revived 5 times with that stuff over a 1 year period, add that to all the time she spent in jail for parole violations and the times she was sentenced to rehab and all you do is delay the inevitable. He found her and her boyfriend dead in the downstairs portion of his house a month ago. Sadly I have to agree with this. Just another safety net for these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said: My buddy's daughter was revived 5 times with that stuff over a 1 year period, add that to all the time she spent in jail for parole violations and the times she was sentenced to rehab and all you do is delay the inevitable. He found her and her boyfriend dead in the downstairs portion of his house a month ago. My friend and lead Carpenter lost his son. He was Narcaned several times. The Narcan simply prolonged his pain and worry. Interestingly enough, the junkies hate to get Narcaned...it starts the withdrawal and sickness..besides the fact that they were chasing that perfect high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag6240 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 I have to chime in with a riding buddy that lost his 28 year old son a couple years back. Narcaned a few times and was put in treatment twice… found him dead in the basement after the third relapse. His addiction was heroine, and the 3rd strike was it. I’m all for finding solutions here, but first and foremost is to never try that shit. Once hooked it’s a tough, TOUGH battle to come out clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mag6240 said: I have to chime in with a riding buddy that lost his 28 year old son a couple years back. Narcaned a few times and was put in treatment twice… found him dead in the basement after the third relapse. His addiction was heroine, and the 3rd strike was it. I’m all for finding solutions here, but first and foremost is to never try that shit. Once hooked it’s a tough, TOUGH battle to come out clean. It is absolutely brutal on the families. I have watched so many people go through this shit. They put you through hell and when you finally say enough, I can’t do this anymore and cut them off . They end up dead and the family is consumed with guilt. Once a junkie always a junkie , it never goes away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cold War said: It is absolutely brutal on the families. I have watched so many people go through this shit. They put you through hell and when you finally say enough, I can’t do this anymore and cut them off . They end up dead and the family is consumed with guilt. Once a junkie always a junkie , it never goes away. sad but true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, SkisNH said: The libertarian in me says let Darwin sort it out. Same for the second heart attack victim that keeps smoking or stuffing their face with cheeseburgers after the first heart attack? Let 'em die on the dining room floor while the paramedics stand aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Same for the second heart attack victim that keeps smoking or stuffing their face with cheeseburgers after the first heart attack? Let 'em die on the dining room floor while the paramedics stand aside. Well...smoking cigarettes and eating cheese burgers is still legal last I checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Well...smoking cigarettes and eating cheese burgers is still legal last I checked. So if self inflicted destructive behavior is done by legal means it rises to the level of the deserving medical intervention? Is that in your libertarian handbook? What about the car or snowmobile accident victim that lay in the ditch or trail bleeding to death. They were speeding you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, spin_dry said: So if self inflicted destructive behavior is done by legal means it rises to the level of the deserving medical intervention? Is that in your libertarian handbook? What about the car or snowmobile accident victim that lay in the ditch or trail bleeding to death. They were speeding you know. Do you know anyone who was a heroine addict or someone who had a family member that was? You’re really reaching on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Cold War said: Do you know anyone who was a heroine addict or someone who had a family member that was? You’re really reaching on this. No. I’ve never met a heroin addict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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