p51mstg Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Since the Administration screwed the pooch on its response to the actual Chinese spy balloon, they've now started targeting anything that floats, like our own weather balloons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Anler said: Probably a distraction from the revelation that the Biden administration blew up the nord stream pipeline this week. Despite having denied it the entire time... Biden: Oh look, Chinese balloons! Biden has Putin on the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostynuts Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I,ve got a question for you guys that actually know. It has been stated that it took 2 tries to shoot down the object flying over Lake Huron. For some reason, I thought these missiles were the type that would lock on to the target, so if that is the case, how could they miss with it, and have to shoot the second one to down it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 31 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Biden has Putin on the run. Do they even float? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Frostynuts said: I,ve got a question for you guys that actually know. It has been stated that it took 2 tries to shoot down the object flying over Lake Huron. For some reason, I thought these missiles were the type that would lock on to the target, so if that is the case, how could they miss with it, and have to shoot the second one to down it ? The info seems to point towards the use of an AIM9 which is a heat seeking missile which could have a hard time with a balloon. Even the radar guided AMMRAM 120 could have a tough time as soft fabric does not give the best radar return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Frostynuts said: I,ve got a question for you guys that actually know. It has been stated that it took 2 tries to shoot down the object flying over Lake Huron. For some reason, I thought these missiles were the type that would lock on to the target, so if that is the case, how could they miss with it, and have to shoot the second one to down it ? The object was flying above 200 mph with no noticeable sign of propulsion. So it doesn’t appear that there was any thermal signature from an exhaust. The AIM9 had to depend on the thermal variance between the surrounding air and the object rather than a jet exhaust. What’s remarkable is the thing was being propelled above the speed it would’ve been traveling via the jet stream. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 15, 2023 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 9 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: The object was flying above 200 mph with no noticeable sign of propulsion. So it doesn’t appear that there was any thermal signature from an exhaust. The AIM9 had to depend on the thermal variance between the surrounding air and the object rather than a jet exhaust. What’s remarkable is the thing was being propelled above the speed it would’ve been traveling via the jet stream. So it was a Chinese weapons test ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 11 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: The object was flying above 200 mph with no noticeable sign of propulsion. So it doesn’t appear that there was any thermal signature from an exhaust. The AIM9 had to depend on the thermal variance between the surrounding air and the object rather than a jet exhaust. What’s remarkable is the thing was being propelled above the speed it would’ve been traveling via the jet stream. 200 mph relative to the ground. The jet stream goes through the middle of the country at those altitudes. Air speed for the balloon could be close to zero which is why jets would have a tough time shooting it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said: 200 mph relative to the ground. The jet stream goes through the middle of the country at those altitudes. Air speed for the balloon could be close to zero which is why jets would have a tough time shooting it down. I listened to a top gun aviator explain the speed of the object was calculated as ground speed. This was configured by the amount of time it took to go from the area of Montana where it was first noticed to northern Wisconsin where it was picked up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Russian balloons now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 hours ago, steve from amherst said: So it was a Chinese weapons test ? no one has come to say one way or another. Just a lot of speculation at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, ActionfigureJoe said: I listened to a top gun aviator explain the speed of the object was calculated as ground speed. This was configured by the amount of time it took to go from the area of Montana where it was first noticed to northern Wisconsin where it was picked up again. Right but the jet stream can move at a couple of hundred miles an hour. The balloon could be floating along at a near zero airspeed and still be moving 200mph over the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Right but the jet stream can move at a couple of hundred miles an hour. The balloon could be floating along at a near zero airspeed and still be moving 200mph over the ground. He figured the jet stream into the equation. It was outpacing the jet stream at that time and altitude by a fair margin. Thus, the object was under some type of propulsion that wasn’t detected by the pilots on the scene. It’s a very odd scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybeacher Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Spoke to a ERT member today, he says it was a balloon. Also said first missle was heat seek and missed, subsequent middle was “manually aimed”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, dirtybeacher said: Spoke to a ERT member today, he says it was a balloon. Also said first missle was heat seek and missed, subsequent middle was “manually aimed”. Three weather balloons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 16, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Three weather balloons. I’m just glad this gives you another topic to be an expert on and you have finally STFU about the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Let's face it shooting down balloons is a much better topic for Biden than say Nordstream2 or secret documents by the Vette. wag the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 16, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I’m just glad this gives you another topic to be an expert on and you have finally STFU about the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted February 17, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 17, 2023 Look at all Barney Fife detectives on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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