poor snowflakes

[spin_dry]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Middle-age white Americans with limited education are increasingly dying younger, on average, than other middle-age U.S. adults, a trend driven by their dwindling economic opportunities, research by two Princeton University economists has found.
The economists, Anne Case and Angus Deaton, argue in a paper released Thursday that the loss of steady middle-income jobs for those with high school degrees or less has triggered broad problems for this group. They are more likely than their college-educated counterparts, for example, to be unemployed, unmarried or afflicted with poor health.
"This is a story of the collapse of the white working class," Deaton said in an interview. "The labor market has very much turned against them."
Those dynamics helped fuel the rise of President Donald Trump, who won widespread support among whites with only a high school degree. Yet Deaton said his policies are unlikely to reverse these trends, particularly the health care legislation now before the House that Trump is championing. That bill would lead to higher premiums for older Americans, the Congressional Budget Office has found.
"The policies that you see, seem almost perfectly designed to hurt the very people who voted for him," Deaton said.
Case and Deaton's paper, issued by the Brookings Institution, follows up on research they released in 2015 that first documented a sharp increase in mortality among middle-aged whites.
Since 1999, white men and women ages 45 through 54 have endured a sharp increase in "deaths of despair," Case and Deaton found in their earlier work. These include suicides, drug overdoses, and alcohol-related deaths such as liver failure.
In the paper released Thursday, Case and Deaton draw a clearer relationship between rising death rates and changes in the job market since the 1970s. They find that men without college degrees are less likely to receive rising incomes over time, a trend "consistent with men moving to lower and lower skilled jobs."
Other research has found that Americans with only high school degrees are less likely to get married or purchase a home and more likely to get divorced if they do marry.
"It's not just their careers that have gone down the tubes, but their marriage prospects, their ability to raise children," said Deaton, who won the Nobel prize in economics in 2015 for his long-standing work on solutions to poverty. "That's the kind of thing that can lead people to despair."
It's not entirely clear why these trends have affected whites much more than they have African-Americans or Hispanics, whose death rates are improving.
Case and Deaton note that many Hispanics are "markedly better off" than parents or grandparents who were born abroad, enabling a greater sense of optimism. African-Americans, they add, may have become more resilient to economic challenges given their long-standing disadvantages in the job market.
The data is clear, though: In 1999, the death rate for high school-educated whites ages 50 through 54 was 30 percent lower than the death rate for all African-Americans in that age group. By 2015, it was 30 percent higher.
The educational split is also growing. Even while the death rate for whites without a college degree is rising, the rate for whites who are college graduates is falling, Case and Deaton found.
Americans with less education are also faring much worse when compared with adults in other countries, Case and Deaton concluded. Death rates in Europe for people with limited education are falling - and in most countries, they're falling faster than death rates for those with more education.
For those reasons, Case and Deaton discount the notion that government disability benefit programs are responsible for some of these problems by enabling more Americans to stop working. Social welfare programs in Europe are typically more generous yet haven't caused a rise in death rates.
Given the long-running nature of these trends, many of which stem from the 1970s, reversing them could take years, Case and Deaton write. But there are immediate steps that could be taken, Deaton said in the interview. Routine prescriptions for opioids should be cut back.
And, "Europe has a much better safety net than we do, and they're not seeing the same sort of problems as we are," he said.

[Snoslinger]

ya think it's bad now, wait until trumpcare kicks in

 

[Zambroski]

This is from a blog from the NYT writer that was picked up by the AP..  The "journalist" for it has already been criticized for his absence of facts within this study to make it appear more of a political piece causing the real authors of the study to take exception with his publishing.  He's actually been forced to make corrections on his little "omissions".

Oh, and BTW, by law when you do a cut and paste, you are required to list the full sources and the link where you copied it from.  Failure to do so puts sites like this liable.  Real meaning:  Ownership will be asked "nicely" to delete it.  

[02sled]

perhaps just perhaps there is a correlation between less educated and those people paying less attention to their health simply because of that lesser education and lesser awareness

[Zambroski]

4 minutes ago, 02sled said:

perhaps just perhaps there is a correlation between less educated and those people paying less attention to their health simply because of that lesser education and lesser awareness

NO...TRUMP VOTERS DIE YOUNGER!   GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!!!!!!

 

 

[JEFF]

It's all the cheese curls...

[02sled]

15 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

NO...TRUMP VOTERS DIE YOUNGER!   GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!!!!!!

 There has long been a correlation between education levels and people taking care of their health. Not just the US but in Canada as well where a trip to the doctor is covered under the provincial health system that EVERYONE has. If you are on welfare you have as much access to the doctor as the person earning $100K a year. For some reason the less educated just don't seem to care about their health as much.

They also seems to be a tendency to smoke and drink more, eat less healthy foods while visiting the doctor less often.

 

 

Edited March 23, 2017 by 02sled

[spin_dry]

11 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

ya think it's bad now, wait until trumpcare kicks in

 

substance abuse treatment coverage is stopped under trumpcare. bootstraps mofos. lol

[snoughnut]

9 hours ago, spin_dry said:

substance abuse treatment coverage is stopped under trumpcare. bootstraps mofos. lol

Choices are a bitch aren't they? Don't abuse the substance, problem solved. It's sad how so many in this country today can't face the consequences of their own actions.

[Angry ginger]

you know why the men die first

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

because they want to   

[Jimmy Snacks]

On 3/24/2017 at 7:20 AM, snoughnut said:

Choices are a bitch aren't they? Don't abuse the substance, problem solved. It's sad how so many in this country today can't face the consequences of their own actions.

You are a shortsighted rock headed dumbfuck.

[snoughnut]

2 hours ago, Biggie Smails said:

You are a shortsighted rock headed dumbfuck.

Jim, why don't you just shut the fuck up, you are the dumb cocksucker. Explain to me in your never ending stupidity why somebody should be covered for a choice they made to abuse a substance? Listen you ankle biting little bitch, try to seek a life outside of the internet. Now go fuck yourself.

[AKIQPilot]

On ‎3‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 6:15 AM, spin_dry said:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Middle-age white Americans with limited education are increasingly dying younger, on average, than other middle-age U.S. adults, a trend driven by their dwindling economic opportunities, research by two Princeton University economists has found.
The economists, Anne Case and Angus Deaton, argue in a paper released Thursday that the loss of steady middle-income jobs for those with high school degrees or less has triggered broad problems for this group. They are more likely than their college-educated counterparts, for example, to be unemployed, unmarried or afflicted with poor health.
"This is a story of the collapse of the white working class," Deaton said in an interview. "The labor market has very much turned against them."
Those dynamics helped fuel the rise of President Donald Trump, who won widespread support among whites with only a high school degree. Yet Deaton said his policies are unlikely to reverse these trends, particularly the health care legislation now before the House that Trump is championing. That bill would lead to higher premiums for older Americans, the Congressional Budget Office has found.
"The policies that you see, seem almost perfectly designed to hurt the very people who voted for him," Deaton said.
Case and Deaton's paper, issued by the Brookings Institution, follows up on research they released in 2015 that first documented a sharp increase in mortality among middle-aged whites.
Since 1999, white men and women ages 45 through 54 have endured a sharp increase in "deaths of despair," Case and Deaton found in their earlier work. These include suicides, drug overdoses, and alcohol-related deaths such as liver failure.
In the paper released Thursday, Case and Deaton draw a clearer relationship between rising death rates and changes in the job market since the 1970s. They find that men without college degrees are less likely to receive rising incomes over time, a trend "consistent with men moving to lower and lower skilled jobs."
Other research has found that Americans with only high school degrees are less likely to get married or purchase a home and more likely to get divorced if they do marry.
"It's not just their careers that have gone down the tubes, but their marriage prospects, their ability to raise children," said Deaton, who won the Nobel prize in economics in 2015 for his long-standing work on solutions to poverty. "That's the kind of thing that can lead people to despair."
It's not entirely clear why these trends have affected whites much more than they have African-Americans or Hispanics, whose death rates are improving.
Case and Deaton note that many Hispanics are "markedly better off" than parents or grandparents who were born abroad, enabling a greater sense of optimism. African-Americans, they add, may have become more resilient to economic challenges given their long-standing disadvantages in the job market.
The data is clear, though: In 1999, the death rate for high school-educated whites ages 50 through 54 was 30 percent lower than the death rate for all African-Americans in that age group. By 2015, it was 30 percent higher.
The educational split is also growing. Even while the death rate for whites without a college degree is rising, the rate for whites who are college graduates is falling, Case and Deaton found.
Americans with less education are also faring much worse when compared with adults in other countries, Case and Deaton concluded. Death rates in Europe for people with limited education are falling - and in most countries, they're falling faster than death rates for those with more education.
For those reasons, Case and Deaton discount the notion that government disability benefit programs are responsible for some of these problems by enabling more Americans to stop working. Social welfare programs in Europe are typically more generous yet haven't caused a rise in death rates.
Given the long-running nature of these trends, many of which stem from the 1970s, reversing them could take years, Case and Deaton write. But there are immediate steps that could be taken, Deaton said in the interview. Routine prescriptions for opioids should be cut back.
And, "Europe has a much better safety net than we do, and they're not seeing the same sort of problems as we are," he said.

Thanks Obama you worthless POS. 

[AKIQPilot]

On ‎3‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 3:20 AM, snoughnut said:

Choices are a bitch aren't they? Don't abuse the substance, problem solved. It's sad how so many in this country today can't face the consequences of their own actions.

Bingo.   

[Jimmy Snacks]

2 hours ago, snoughnut said:

Jim, why don't you just shut the fuck up, you are the dumb cocksucker. Explain to me in your never ending stupidity why somebody should be covered for a choice they made to abuse a substance? Listen you ankle biting little bitch, try to seek a life outside of the internet. Now go fuck yourself.

So they don't get covered and helped with substance abuse...where do they end up? Wouldn't it be better to try and straighten them out or would you rather pay for endless er visits and public assistance? 

Edited April 21, 2017 by Biggie Smails

[Snoslinger]

2 hours ago, AKIQPilot said:

Thanks Obama you worthless POS. 

poor tom, so bitter. retirement is pretty hard on you after the Obama years huh?

[Shifty]

" deaths of despair" ffs..... my friends and I fit this articles demograghics quite well. Yet we are all doing great.  Hmmmm. Business owners, upper lever management,master tradesmen. We're fit,Athletes, mma, coachs.all are married,happy, homeowners. Just doesn't make sense.....

[AKIQPilot]

18 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

poor tom, so bitter. retirement is pretty hard on you after the Obama years huh?

Haha.  Retirement is so bad I decided to go back to the oil patch and get another helping of $$$.  Working a facility shutdown as an Area Authority.  Should be all wrapped up by the first week of September.  Day Rate job.  Just got home from my first week back up there. 

[Snoslinger]

Just now, AKIQPilot said:

Haha.  Retirement is so bad I decided to go back to the oil patch and get another helping of $$$.  Working a facility shutdown as an Area Authority.  Should be all wrapped up by the first week of September.  Day Rate job.  Just got home from my first week back up there. 

consulting can be some big bucks. I read about an oil leak up there somewhere recently. anything to do with that?

 

[AKIQPilot]

Just now, Snoslinger said:

consulting can be some big bucks. I read about an oil leak up there somewhere recently. anything to do with that?

 

No, the leak was about 10 miles east of where I was all week.  I stopped by the leak site on Tuesday to look at it.  Very little oil got on the ground and nothing got off the well pad so there was nothing that got on the tundra or outside the containment area.  As usual, Rachel Maddow made it out to be much worse than it really was. 

This link has a video that shows the leak site very good.  If you were 20' away from the spill you couldn't even tell that oil was on the ground. 

http://www.webcenter11.com/content/news/Responders-stop-oil-leak-near-Deadhorse-airport-419667483.html

[AKIQPilot]

Everything inside the circle is the contaminated area.  A super fine mist of oil can be seen as the gray area directly behind the well house.  The size of the red oval is about 50'x150'. 

 

[spin_dry]

3 hours ago, snoughnut said:

Jim, why don't you just shut the fuck up, you are the dumb cocksucker. Explain to me in your never ending stupidity why somebody should be covered for a choice they made to abuse a substance? Listen you ankle biting little bitch, try to seek a life outside of the internet. Now go fuck yourself.

seeing that health issues from poor eating habits far outway the cost of substance abuse in america, shouldn't those who eat like shit also be exempt from health insurance coverage? 

[f7ben]

8 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

seeing that health issues from poor eating habits far outway the cost of substance abuse in america, shouldn't those who eat like shit also be exempt from health insurance coverage? 

dont expect a coherent response

[Im4snow]

12 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

seeing that health issues from poor eating habits far outway the cost of substance abuse in america, shouldn't those who eat like shit also be exempt from health insurance coverage? 

They should pay more for coverage.  

[spin_dry]

18 minutes ago, Im4snow said:

They should pay more for coverage.  

high risk activities too? snowmobiling and motorcycling?