Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) Entire article is good. https://c2cjournal.ca/2022/01/left-wing-fascism-and-its-war-against-conservatives/ Should Fascism Sit on the Right…or Left? There is a solid conceptual argument backed by a body of evidence that Naziism, fascism and even white supremacy aren’t “right wing” at all, that they are creatures of the left and have been from the beginning. While they weren’t expunged as right-wing extremist symbols with the publication of Jonah Goldberg’s first book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Change, they should have been. Its release in 2007 opened many eyes and minds to the truth. While Liberal Fascism wasn’t enough to sway the public debate, prior to the book’s appearance just about every writer and thinker since 1945 assumed fascism and Naziism were manifestations of extremism on the right. It seemed plausible and fair. After all, counterbalancing fascism we had communism, the left’s own form of extremism. One really nasty political outlook was thus placed at the far end of each side, an evident symmetry that rendered Western societies’ political factions essentially even and discouraged further complaint or introspection about one’s assigned shade on the political spectrum. This orthodoxy was strengthened by the Cold War-era tendency of many non-Communist authoritarian regimes, often displaying the trappings of fascism and typically described as right-wing, to align themselves with the West. If fascists were anything but right-wing, why would such regimes make common cause with the capitalist democracies instead of the Soviet Union? But there were always cracks in this cognitive armour. In truth, as my Grade 13 economics teacher pounded into the heads of his 1976 class, communism and fascism are at root virtually identical – however much they might differ in appearance, rhetoric, tactics or other superficial elements. As far back as 1951 Hannah Arendt, the German-born political philosopher who was once arrested by the Gestapo for studying anti-Semitism, and who later became world-famous for her analysis of the Nazi mind, made observations in her book The Origins of Totalitarianism that were similar to my smart high school teacher’s. Goldberg’s thesis is plainly and intelligently argued in his almost 500-page book: “[F]ascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left. This fact – an inconvenient truth if ever there was one – is obscured in our time by the equally mistaken belief that fascism and communism are opposites. In reality, they are closely related, historical competitors for the same constituents, seeking to dominate and control the same social space.” Edited August 30, 2022 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Fascism is a right wing ideology. Just because one party sits slightly left of another doesn't make them leftist. Both parties are right wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 The creator of fascism was a life long socialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Robert Byrd would be so confused right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, ACE said: The creator of fascism was a life long socialist This i gotta hear lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: This i gotta hear lol You really didn’t know that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, ACE said: You really didn’t know that? I know you'll say anything to deny that fascism is a right wing ideology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Just now, motonoggin said: I know you'll say anything to deny that fascism is a right wing ideology Man you should brush up on your history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 34 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Fascism is a right wing ideology. Just because one party sits slightly left of another doesn't make them leftist. Both parties are right wing. Mussolini would be proud of you. Now get the Antifa boys lick the bootstraps of the Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DriftBusta Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Mussolini would be proud of you. Now get the Antifa boys lick the bootstraps of the Dems. Haven’t you gotten the memo? Only moto gets to give the definition of the labels! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Haven’t you gotten the memo? Only moto gets to give the definition of the labels! You fucking ignorant dipshit, leftists are exclusively anti-capitalist. Were Mussolini and Hitler anti-capitalist? No, they fuckin weren't. Are Democrats anti-capitalist? No, they're fuckin not. I swear to Christ you idiots have been propagandized by the very people you supposedly hate. You're like super cucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Haven’t you gotten the memo? Only moto gets to give the definition of the labels! Leftists are always so ignorant of their own history 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, ACE said: Leftists are always so ignorant of their own history Especially when fascism is far right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: You fucking ignorant dipshit, leftists are exclusively anti-capitalist. Were Mussolini and Hitler anti-capitalist? No, they fuckin weren't. Are Democrats anti-capitalist? No, they're fuckin not. I swear to Christ you idiots have been propagandized by the very people you supposedly hate. You're like super cucks. Listen you insufferable douche bag, I have no interest in listening to somebody who barely made it out of high school and read a few books on Marxism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: Listen I’m an insufferable douche bag, I have no interest in listening to anybody. No shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Putin is a fascist like Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Listen you insufferable douche bag, I have no interest in listening to somebody who barely made it out of high school and read a few books on Marxism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Mussolini literally was a socialist fascist Italy was almost nearly as centrally planned as communist Soviet Union. Weird hey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, ACE said: Mussolini literally was a socialist fascist Italy was almost nearly as centrally planned as communist Soviet Union. Weird hey Yet Mussolini sided with Hitler who was a right wing Nazi fascist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Just now, Steve753 said: Yet Mussolini sided with Hitler who was a right wing Nazi fascist. The national socialist party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, ACE said: Mussolini literally was a socialist fascist Italy was almost nearly as centrally planned as communist Soviet Union. Weird hey He just needed the corporate buy in. Hello McFly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Yet Mussolini sided with Hitler who was a right wing Nazi fascist. Hitler started his rise from the labor movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, ACE said: The national socialist party? I'll educate you. the National Socialist German Workers' Party The Nazi Party, officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP), was a far right political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945 that created and supported the ideology of Nazism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) The Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It's a democratic republic, it's right in the name... Duh. Edited August 30, 2022 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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