irv Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) How's solar working out during this heatwave? Shouldn't it be working great during this time? Texas grid operator urges electricity conservation as heat wave drives up demand. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/10/texas-blackouts-power-ercot/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-power-use-breaks-record-heat-wave-again-with-no-blackouts-2022-07-13/ https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/texass-power-grid-operator-asking-203347531.html Edited July 14, 2022 by irv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 14, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 Those fossil fuels are the ticket…. Not!!! ERCOT said Wednesday’s alert was partially due to an unexpected number of outages in thermal generation, which is coal and gas. https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/energy-environment/2022/07/13/428456/texas-power-grid-operator-issues-conservation-alert-wednesday-as-heatwave-continues/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 14, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 Higher then expected power plant outages from coal and natural gas today in texas. The call for conservation came because of higher-than-expected outages at coal and natural gas-fired power plants, as well as low winds, as demand continues to rise because of higher-than-normal temperatures. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/13/texas-power-grid-ercot-conservation/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 Low winds also made it harder for the grid to keep up with demand during hotter-than-usual July temperatures. Projections showed wind generation coming in at less than 10% of its capacity on Monday, ERCOT said. In the spring, ERCOT forecast that an extremely low wind generation day for the summer would be around 1% of its capacity; a low wind generation day for the summer would be around 11% of its capacity; a normal wind generation day for the summer would be around 36% of its capacity. Winds in Texas often drop during the daytime and pick up overnight, especially in the summer. ERCOT forecasts more wind power will be available to the grid on Tuesday. Power grids must keep supply and demand in balance at all times. When Texas’ grid falls below its safety margin of excess supply, the grid operator starts taking additional precautions to avoid blackouts. The first precaution is to ask the public to voluntarily cut back electricity usage. The next step is for the grid operator to tell the public the grid could be in serious condition, and Texans need to cut back electricity usage in order to help the grid. If the grid’s conditions still don’t improve, ERCOT would then implement controlled, rotating power outages, in which Texans in some areas could lose power for up to 45 minutes at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Hmmm record heat. Interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 14, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Hmmm record heat. Interesting. Thermal generation in Texas appears to not be able to handle climate change extremes. It failing Texas in extreme cold and extreme heat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Hmmm record heat. Interesting. Hmmm, and record cold the winter before. No doubt about it, it's "GLOBAL WARMING!!! Texas is feeling its coldest air mass in decades, and it's breaking record cold temperatures left and right. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/weather/2021/02/15/a-full-list-of-all-the-record-cold-texas-temperatures Edited July 14, 2022 by irv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Just now, BOHICA said: Thermal generation in Texas appears to not be able to handle climate change extremes. It failing Texas in extreme cold and extreme heat. Texas has probably the most advanced energy program in the US. Their main Achilles heal is that they stand alone, independent from the east and west grid. They don’t borrow from the national power grids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, irv said: Hmmm, and record cold the winter before. No doubt about it, it's "GLOBAL WARMING!!! Texas is feeling its coldest air mass in decades, and it's breaking record cold temperatures left and right. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/weather/2021/02/15/a-full-list-of-all-the-record-cold-texas-temperatures Novel climate extremes. Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 14, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: Texas has probably the most advanced energy program in the US. Their main Achilles heal is that they stand alone, independent from the east and west grid. They don’t borrow from the national power grids. Their whole grid isn’t hardened for climate extremes for that area. During what would be minor cold in the rest of the US almost all of the thermal generation tripped off In Texas. During extreme heat their fossil fuel thermal generation is tripping off at unexpected higher rates. their is like 4 or 5 island grids in the US and all but one is regulated by the government…. ERCOT is all run by private billionaire companies with no oversite. It’s why the Texas grid has and is failing miserably 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Novel climate extremes. Interesting I wonder what the issue was in 1889? "The state just saw its hottest December on record since 1889" Solar sounds wonderful too. Solar power, which has performed well this summer, was also struggling Wednesday to produce as much electricity as expected, ERCOT said, because of some dark clouds over solar farms in West Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 14, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, irv said: I wonder what the issue was in 1889? "The state just saw its hottest December on record since 1889" Solar sounds wonderful too. Solar power, which has performed well this summer, was also struggling Wednesday to produce as much electricity as expected, ERCOT said, because of some dark clouds over solar farms in West Texas. Yep when clouds come over solar output is reduced. When temp extremes happen the fossil fuel output in texas is reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, irv said: I wonder what the issue was in 1889? "The state just saw its hottest December on record since 1889" Solar sounds wonderful too. Solar power, which has performed well this summer, was also struggling Wednesday to produce as much electricity as expected, ERCOT said, because of some dark clouds over solar farms in West Texas. Wow. Have to go back over 100 years to find a weather anomaly that is now occurring every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Texas what a fucked up state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted July 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Texas what a fucked up state. Until it turns blue then it magically gets praise from you. Funny how that works eh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 9 hours ago, spin_dry said: Texas has probably the most advanced energy program in the US. Their main Achilles heal is that they stand alone, independent from the east and west grid. They don’t borrow from the national power grids. Correct and their elected officials aren't getting it squared away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 It shows a net number of 885,000 people moving to Texas -- about 303,000 of which were from California. That means 34 percent of new Texas residents are migrating from California. When you look at all the places Californians are leaving for, you can see Texas is number one.May 9, 2022 https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/state/texas-news/main-reason-so-many-californians-move-to-texas/287-241575db-746c-4528-bd86-55576e8a526b#:~:text=It shows a net number,see Texas is number one. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/11/californians-working-from-home-are-moving-to-mexico-amid-inflation.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted July 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, irv said: It shows a net number of 885,000 people moving to Texas -- about 303,000 of which were from California. That means 34 percent of new Texas residents are migrating from California. When you look at all the places Californians are leaving for, you can see Texas is number one.May 9, 2022 https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/state/texas-news/main-reason-so-many-californians-move-to-texas/287-241575db-746c-4528-bd86-55576e8a526b#:~:text=It shows a net number,see Texas is number one. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/11/californians-working-from-home-are-moving-to-mexico-amid-inflation.html Like roaches infesting a whole new area but YAY Team Blue!!11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Texas what a fucked up state. Why are they attracting so many Cali ppl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pete said: Why are they attracting so many Cali ppl? Cause slowly the states turning blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Cause slowly the states turning blue I see some ya I guess it is a fucked up state if that’s the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted July 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Pete said: I see some ya I guess it is a fucked up state if that’s the case. Austin has long been a democratic area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 976 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 What I hear when they say we need more power because on low wind days we’re only getting 10% of what we need isn’t “get rid of windmills”, but rather “build more windmills”. Simply build 10x as many windmills as there are currently and then you’ve got 100% of the current potential kWh even on those low wind days and the fuel is still free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Austin has long been a democratic area. Then I can understand why he said it’s a fucked up state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.JPG.47579172b466cb5b07077be66186abb0.thumb.JPG.265551ebf97ec53a565406db3f4abadf.JPG)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.