Not greg b Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Any of you have a newer Jeep Grand Cherokee with high miles?? Are they decent or are the shit piles?? Looking at a brand new to wear out in 3 years. I put 50-60k a year on my vehicles and you can get a lot nicer grand charokee for less money than a 1/2 ton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 If it the MB designed chassis, they are decent. I have a Durango for wifes DD with the 3.6, 8 sp and its been pretty good. A/C condenser leaked and was replaced but other than that no issues in 128K miles. GC should be almost identical, other than a little shorter wheelbase and grill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Legend said: If it the MB designed chassis, they are decent. I have a Durango for wifes DD with the 3.6, 8 sp and its been pretty good. A/C condenser leaked and was replaced but other than that no issues in 128K miles. GC should be almost identical, other than a little shorter wheelbase and grill. I am basically looking at the one that is basically a re badge Durango. Does it tow ok?? Most i would tow is 4500 pounds at the most maybe once a year. It’s the L model. I am assuming the L means. Long Edited December 16, 2021 by Not greg b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Not greg b said: I am basically looking at the one that is basically a re badge Durango. Does it tow ok?? Most i would tow is 4500 pounds at the most maybe once a year. It’s the L model. I am assuming the L means. Long I have only towed with it 2 or 3 times. And it was a 4 seat rzr on an open steel trailer. So maybe 3000ish lbs? It was fine. Mine has the tow package with the load level shocks or whatever they are called, so no squat. Engine wise they will all have more than enough power. My brother had a R/T hemi durango and often towed his boat to the lake. 21 foot Sea Ray tall heavy looking thing. He said it was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Bought my wife an 18 High Altitude V6 last year. Towed the 6900lb wakeboard boat back and forth to the farm, towed a 4600 lb Ranger all over the state and has pulled the 2up Triton a few times as well. It is anemic and under braked but otherwise deals really well with it. To be fair I have 16.5" Wildwoods and a Whipple on my Escalade which I have been using for towing. It tows well enough I am going to send the Escalade down the road and build another fun car instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I talked my girlfriend into an eco diesel GC to replace her 4 door wrangler (the worlds most awful vehicle) it’s loaded up with all the bells and whistles and is probably one of the nicest vehicles I’ve been in. I’ve towed my sleds and my trans am on a car trailer with it. It’s got auto load level which I believe all the higher end packages do and is rated at 7500 I think the gas units are rated at like 72 with the auto level. Like deep haven said it definitely seems a little light on brakes when towing heavier things but it’s stable and does a good job other than that, obviously the diesel helps in towing so can’t say how the gas v6 does. I’m pretty sure the grand Cherokee L like you’re talking about is 100% a rebumpered Durango so I would get some opinions on them to for a real world review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 call me tomorrow power is going to go out at any moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I should add that it tows significantly better than my last Silverado did. Brakes are better. Power is about equal. The wheelbase was more stable on the truck but that is about it. I don't remember feeling the Escalade was better in the brake department pre Wildwoods but it was better power wise but it is always hard to remember what half the horsepower feels like preupgrades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Not greg b said: I am basically looking at the one that is basically a re badge Durango. Does it tow ok?? Most i would tow is 4500 pounds at the most maybe once a year. It’s the L model. I am assuming the L means. Long L is the new chassis beware. very first year, weird half year thing.. THe all new 22 is the L of 21 I'm not sure how major the changes are but its not the same under the dash and has some different electrical stuff going on on the trottle side. That is the extent of my knowledge. caught me off guard on a install as I though the L meant long as well. there are two pretty big recalls out on them too... Airbags and then something not so important.. IIRC Edited December 16, 2021 by Cwhite138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Jackson Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I'd go with a Highlander. Pretty much guaranteed 200k with good maintenance. Jeeps, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Just now, J. Jackson said: I'd go with a Highlander. Pretty much guaranteed 200k with good maintenance. Jeeps, not so much. highlanders are probably double the money... and cant tow as much.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Jackson Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cwhite138 said: highlanders are probably double the money... and cant tow as much.. Depends how it's equipped. Highlander is rated at 5k where the GC is 3500 std. In the states they're both compatible pricewise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) @J. Jackson I haven't actually looked at pricing I just know Toyota's are expensive. you might be getting the Tow capacity of a Cherokee and a grand mixed up/ 3.6 4x4 is: Maximum Towing Capacity (pounds) 6200 Maximum Trailer Weight, dead weight hitch (pounds) 5000 Maximum Tongue Weight, dead weight hitch (pounds) 500 Maximum Trailer Weight, weight distributing hitch (pounds) 6200 Maximum Tongue Weight, weight distributing hitch (pounds) 620 Highlander is a van. GC is a SUV Edited December 16, 2021 by Cwhite138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 check availability for towing mirrors for a Jeep if you ever plan to pull an enclosed trailer, especially a clam figured you'd go with a Ram now to throw a sled in the back after having your Silverado cancelled good friend bought a loaded Grand Cherokee V6 (old body style) this past summer, she loves it far more than her Explorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted December 16, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted December 16, 2021 Towing 4500lbs at most I would get a 4Runner it’ll last forever. Jeeps are junk. Bosses srt was a toilet all kinds of little dumb issues. Don’t even get me started on wranglers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Jackson Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 40 minutes ago, Cwhite138 said: @J. Jackson I haven't actually looked at pricing I just know Toyota's are expensive. you might be getting the Tow capacity of a Cherokee and a grand mixed up/ 3.6 4x4 is: Maximum Towing Capacity (pounds) 6200 Maximum Trailer Weight, dead weight hitch (pounds) 5000 Maximum Tongue Weight, dead weight hitch (pounds) 500 Maximum Trailer Weight, weight distributing hitch (pounds) 6200 Maximum Tongue Weight, weight distributing hitch (pounds) 620 Highlander is a van. GC is a SUV Sienna is Toyotas van. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, J. Jackson said: Sienna is Toyotas van. lol till ya open a highlander up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, 800renegaderider said: Towing 4500lbs at most I would get a 4Runner it’ll last forever. Jeeps are junk. Bosses srt was a toilet all kinds of little dumb issues. Don’t even get me started on wranglers I wouldn't trust anything made by a company called stellantis Toyotas quality is dropping big time also tho. more and more stuff coming out of Mexico. I have heard from guys that work at the dealers they are seeing more issues on their PDIs than they ever have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 The highlander SUCKS for towing. The Jeep is built on the Mercedes ML chassis and tows really well for it's size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Deephaven said: The highlander SUCKS for towing. The Jeep is built on the Mercedes ML chassis and tows really well for it's size. Not the L. it is different. Now if they kept the same basic design then they have a good base. for example, on federal mogul catalog none of the 11-21 suspension parts they offer (which is not a lot) fit on the L model. granted.. maybe its not up to date. But yes the Highlander a people mover Edited December 16, 2021 by Cwhite138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cwhite138 said: Not the L. it is different. Now if they kept the same basic design then they have a good base. for example, on federal mogul catalog none of the 11-21 suspension parts they offer (which is not a lot) fit on the L model. granted.. maybe its not up to date. But yes the Highlander a people mover The Durango was built on the same chassis too, I'd bet money it just isn't an updated catalog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Deephaven said: The Durango was built on the same chassis too, I'd bet money it just isn't an updated catalog. one would hope they did not mess with the powertrain and suspension. But the rags are calling it a new Gen chassis and I know the steering column, dash support and accelerator pedal are all new. For the money they are good value. I have not test driven a L, but I found it to look really nice inside. I spent some time in 19 Durango and a 20 GC V6's. Thought they were really good. something to add the Durango has not changed yet. only the 21 GC L and 2022 GC Edited December 16, 2021 by Cwhite138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I had an ML63 AMG. That towed the Malibu extremely well. The Jeep is a lethargic version of it As for the changes, even "all new" is a slightly modified what they just had. They don't have the bandwidth to really develop something completely new that isn't electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted December 16, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted December 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Cwhite138 said: I wouldn't trust anything made by a company called stellantis Toyotas quality is dropping big time also tho. more and more stuff coming out of Mexico. I have heard from guys that work at the dealers they are seeing more issues on their PDIs than they ever have The 4Runner has been out for years with not much changed and a record of reliability. OP says he drives 50-60k a year I’d trust a 4Runner to last a lot longer than a jeep with those miles. I wouldn’t want to own a jeep with 100k plus with a toyota no problem. Lot of parts are made in Mexico and Canada especially for American cars. I wouldn’t be surprised if half the shit in a grand Cherokee is made in Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 minute ago, 800renegaderider said: The 4Runner has been out for years with not much changed and a record of reliability. OP says he drives 50-60k a year I’d trust a 4Runner to last a lot longer than a jeep with those miles. I wouldn’t want to own a jeep with 100k plus with a toyota no problem. Lot of parts are made in Mexico and Canada especially for American cars. I wouldn’t be surprised if half the shit in a grand Cherokee is made in Mexico. I agree. The sad thing is although I hear Toyota guys complaining about all the issues they are now finding on PDIs, compared to 5 years ago, its really just what other MFGs have always been like. I think Toyota is over rated though. As most fan boys base their durability on older models. Which wen you look at most components less robust and more expensive to repair than the big 3. just my thoughts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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