motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, racer254 said: Do you deserve a wage or should you earn it? I can't wait to see all your heads explode when capitalists start advocating for a universal basic income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: No one should be forced to choose between wage slavery and starvation. Your right, who forces anyone? If you want to eat, you can work for wages and buy your food, or you can grow it yourself. No one is forcing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 so the dems pushing for higher minimum wages were what, noggin? just for show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: so the dems pushing for higher minimum wages were what, noggin? just for show? Trying to save capitalism from itself. A fools' errand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, racer254 said: Your right, who forces anyone? If you want to eat, you can work for wages and buy your food, or you can grow it yourself. No one is forcing anything. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Lol. See, not a hard concept to grasp. Do you have employees that you "force" to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, racer254 said: See, not a hard concept to grasp. Do you have employees that you "force" to work? I mean, you've singlehandedly solved world hunger. "Don't have money for food? Grow your own! Checkmate! I'm very intelligent..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, motonoggin said: No one should be forced to choose between wage slavery and starvation. So if everyone chooses to be a lazy ass and do nothing, relying on others to provide food for them, they will all starve since there won't be anyone to provide that food. You are ENTITLED to nothing. You want food and a roof over your head, work to earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: I mean, you've singlehandedly solved world hunger. "Don't have money for food? Grow your own! Checkmate! I'm very intelligent..." It's nice to believe in communism, yet use capitalism for yourself. Classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 minute ago, 02sled said: So if everyone chooses to be a lazy ass and do nothing, relying on others to provide food for them, they will all starve since there won't be anyone to provide that food. You are ENTITLED to nothing. You want food and a roof over your head, work to earn it. If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: It's nice to believe in communism, yet use capitalism for yourself. Classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle. More stupidity from you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Communism will prevail. The inherent contradictions in capitalism have ensured it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 39 minutes ago, 02sled said: More stupidity from you You don't do well with these hypotheticals. Probably should just stick to coloring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: When your consumer market depends on wage based demand, but you are always trying to reduce your exposure to labor costs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Communism will never work here period. There isn't any incentive for anyone to work hard, be successful and prosperous if they have to give away the rewards of their efforts to a lazy ass so that they both are able to sustain the same lifestyle. I drive a new top of the line pickup and the lazy ass has a 25 year old broke down piece of crap. I'm not going to give up what I have earned so we can both drive a 10 year old basic vehicle. Not going to happen. You want that new truck, get off your ass and earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: You don't do well with these hypotheticals. Probably should just stick to coloring. Your hypotheticals are from la la land and just are the lunatic dreams of an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) I love the tears of ignorant fascist slaves... So salty... Edited January 11, 2017 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I love the tears of ignorant fascist slaves... So salty... What an idiot.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 9 out of 10 communists would rather sit around smoking weed in their gitch than do anything to improve their situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeeAgain Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 So, Dan, have you ever experienced Communism? I say probably not, but I have. My family took a summer trip to Europe for a month after my first year in college - 1984. On our trip, we took a tour of the Soviet Union for a little over 2 weeks. We entered the Soviet Union through Finland and headed to Leningrad (St. Petersburg) for a few days. After the stay there, we went to Moscow and later back through Poland (Auschwitz is a place I will never forget) and East Germany. It was very eye-opening. I had a great time, but I can tell you from experience that communism does not work! The work force is pure shit! There is NO quality of workmanship anywhere! Shit was run-down before it was even finished. You can't even begin to imagine how poor the work force is in that system. The ONLY thing they ever did well was: every family was allowed a small plot of land (the size of your pickup) to make a garden. They were excellent as they made them for themselves. Businesses that were supposed to be open at 8:30 or 9:00 weren't open until 10:30 or so because the workers simply didn't give a shit. The quality of craftsmanship in every item I saw or place I visited was pure shit. No PRIDE on one's work at all. There was no reason for it as extra effort got you nothing in life there. You simply can't imagine how poor your workforce is when you take the incentives out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, SmeeAgain said: So, Dan, have you ever experienced Communism? I say probably not, but I have. My family took a summer trip to Europe for a month after my first year in college - 1984. On our trip, we took a tour of the Soviet Union for a little over 2 weeks. We entered the Soviet Union through Finland and headed to Leningrad (St. Petersburg) for a few days. After the stay there, we went to Moscow and later back through Poland (Auschwitz is a place I will never forget) and East Germany. It was very eye-opening. I had a great time, but I can tell you from experience that communism does not work! The work force is pure shit! There is NO quality of workmanship anywhere! Shit was run-down before it was even finished. You can't even begin to imagine how poor the work force is in that system. The ONLY thing they ever did well was: every family was allowed a small plot of land (the size of your pickup) to make a garden. They were excellent as they made them for themselves. Businesses that were supposed to be open at 8:30 or 9:00 weren't open until 10:30 or so because the workers simply didn't give a shit. The quality of craftsmanship in every item I saw or place I visited was pure shit. No PRIDE on one's work at all. There was no reason for it as extra effort got you nothing in life there. You simply can't imagine how poor your workforce is when you take the incentives out. The USSR wasn't communism, it was state socialism on its best day, state capitalism the rest of the time. Communism is a stateless, classless society. How many times do I need to say it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeeAgain Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: The USSR wasn't communism, it was state socialism on its best day, state capitalism the rest of the time. Communism is a stateless, classless society. How many times do I need to say it? Why would you want a stateless, classless society unless you are at the bottom now, which I don't believe you are? You don't want people to be able to propel themselves to higher levels based on their skill and/or knowledge? You would want a ditch-digger performing eye surgery on you if you got hurt etc? People are not equal. That's the reality of life. Some people have abilities that others do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 minute ago, SmeeAgain said: Why would you want a stateless, classless society unless you are at the bottom now, which I don't believe you are? You don't want people to be able to propel themselves to higher levels based on their skill and/or knowledge? You would want a ditch-digger performing eye surgery on you if you got hurt etc? People are not equal. That's the reality of life. Some people have abilities that others do not. Again, you demonstrate a severe lack of knowledge around the subject, and you're just making assumptions based on a faulty premise that stems from this lack of knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeeAgain Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Again, you demonstrate a severe lack of knowledge around the subject, and you're just making assumptions based on a faulty premise that stems from this lack of knowledge. I admit I don't know what you are really getting at. I would like to know where you are coming from. Please describe your idea of the perfect society as I would find it interesting. I'm too far away to sit down with you and listen over a beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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