SmeeAgain Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Again, you demonstrate a severe lack of knowledge around the subject, and you're just making assumptions based on a faulty premise that stems from this lack of knowledge. I've traveled to many countries all over the globe and seen quite a few different societies. If what you want would work so well, I'd think someone would be using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, SmeeAgain said: I admit I don't know what you are really getting at. I would like to know where you are coming from. Please describe your idea of the perfect society as I would find it interesting. I'm too far away to sit down with you and listen over a beer. I'm not going to perform a whole bunch of emotional labor for you. I'd suggest watching a few videos made by actual Communists, or books written by them. It's really not that hard a concept to understand when you actually make an effort. The Communist manifesto is a good place to start and it's pretty short. 2 minutes ago, SmeeAgain said: I've traveled to many countries all over the globe and seen quite a few different societies. If what you want would work so well, I'd think someone would be using it. If it weren't for the constant interventionism from capitalist states, we may have seen such a thing. Sadly, capitalism is deathly afraid of competiting ideologies. Somewhat ironic, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, SmeeAgain said: Why would you want a stateless, classless society unless you are at the bottom now, which I don't believe you are? You don't want people to be able to propel themselves to higher levels based on their skill and/or knowledge? You would want a ditch-digger performing eye surgery on you if you got hurt etc? People are not equal. That's the reality of life. Some people have abilities that others do not. You would still have the ditch digger and you would still have the eye surgeon but they would all be equal. They would all live in equal housing, all drive equal vehicles and have equal lifestyles. There you have it... do away with the lower, middle and upper class lifestyles. Now what motivation would there be for the eye surgeon to get the education, develop the skills and endure the stress of the job when he fares no better in life than the ditch digger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, 02sled said: You would still have the ditch digger and you would still have the eye surgeon but they would all be equal. They would all live in equal housing, all drive equal vehicles and have equal lifestyles. There you have it... do away with the lower, middle and upper class lifestyles. Now what motivation would there be for the eye surgeon to get the education, develop the skills and endure the stress of the job when he fares no better in life than the ditch digger. Do you think doctors get into their profession just for the money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: And what is wrong with the $10K toilet if you can afford it and want it as a result of earning it through your hard work and being successful. Are you suggesting that person cannot choose to have that toilet because some lazy ass who sits back doing nothing can't have it as well? Life is all about choices. You have to give something to get something. Whether that be choosing to work to get money or choosing to spend money to get what you want. You have a choice to spend that money or save it for a future purpose. Then you have the choice of what you spend it on. If you choose not to work to EARN that money you have made the choice to forgo having that $10K toilet, or the $16K snowmobile or whatever someone else may have. The choice one could make is to be lazy and not work instead of having the money to spend. Why do you refuse to describe what life in your utopia would be like? You relish in disparaging those who through their hard work have been prosperous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Do you think doctors get into their profession just for the money? Some sure as hell do. Others do it because they have an aptitude and a mind set that this is what they want to do. Do you think they would spend all that time getting that education just to live the same life style as the ditch digger. When I decided on a career path some of it was the income potential, some was an aptitude and some was a strong interest in the field. I opted not to pursue one career path due to the working hours that went with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, 02sled said: Some sure as hell do. Others do it because they have an aptitude and a mind set that this is what they want to do. Do you think they would spend all that time getting that education just to live the same life style as the ditch digger. When I decided on a career path some of it was the income potential, some was an aptitude and some was a strong interest in the field. I opted not to pursue one career path due to the working hours that went with it. I want doctors who got into it because they want to heal people not, because they want to get rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 41 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I want doctors who got into it because they want to heal people not, because they want to get rich. That would only be part of the equation when they choose their profession. They also would want to be compensated appropriately in accordance with their skill level and the amount of education and training that goes into getting there. They are not totally altruistic. In general, doctors complete a 4-year undergraduate degree program, spend 4 years in medical school, and then complete 3-7 years of residency training before they are eligible for medical licensing. In your delusion they should go through all of that just to have the same lifestyle as the ditch digger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 How's socialism working for Venezuela? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, 02sled said: That would only be part of the equation when they choose their profession. They also would want to be compensated appropriately in accordance with their skill level and the amount of education and training that goes into getting there. They are not totally altruistic. In general, doctors complete a 4-year undergraduate degree program, spend 4 years in medical school, and then complete 3-7 years of residency training before they are eligible for medical licensing. In your delusion they should go through all of that just to have the same lifestyle as the ditch digger. The people will treat them very well if they're good doctors. They will want for very little, as will everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, motonoggin said: The people will treat them very well if they're good doctors. They will want for very little, as will everyone else. Yeah right... the ditch diggers will get together and make sure the doctors enjoy an upper class lifestyle. Gee that makes the doctors reliant on what the ditch diggers believe the doctors want or need and take away the doctors free choice. If one wants the $10K toilet and another wants the $10K home theatre that should be choice as to what and when they want it. You still avoid describing how you see your utopia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, 02sled said: Yeah right... the ditch diggers will get together and make sure the doctors enjoy an upper class lifestyle. Gee that makes the doctors reliant on what the ditch diggers believe the doctors want or need and take away the doctors free choice. If one wants the $10K toilet and another wants the $10K home theatre that should be choice as to what and when they want it. You still avoid describing how you see your utopia. Fucking fantasy world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 43 minutes ago, 02sled said: That would only be part of the equation when they choose their profession. They also would want to be compensated appropriately in accordance with their skill level and the amount of education and training that goes into getting there. They are not totally altruistic. In general, doctors complete a 4-year undergraduate degree program, spend 4 years in medical school, and then complete 3-7 years of residency training before they are eligible for medical licensing. In your delusion they should go through all of that just to have the same lifestyle as the ditch digger. /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boered Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 20 hours ago, 02sled said: Lame BS response. No reason you can't move to your socialist utopia. Cuba is pretty close to home. You could try iout life there Actually Norway is a shining example of socialism, not cuba. it is a place where more people are happy and there is less crime and poverty than 99.9999% of other nations. Canada ranks high in happiness mostly due to socialism. You live in a socialist country, so I suggest to you, if you do not like it, move to samalia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, 02sled said: Yeah right... the ditch diggers will get together and make sure the doctors enjoy an upper class lifestyle. Gee that makes the doctors reliant on what the ditch diggers believe the doctors want or need and take away the doctors free choice. If one wants the $10K toilet and another wants the $10K home theatre that should be choice as to what and when they want it. You still avoid describing how you see your utopia. Typical capitalist, wants someone to do something for them for nothing so they can sit back and be lazy. Go read some literature, maybe you'll get a better understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Typical capitalist, wants someone to do something for them for nothing so they can sit back and be lazy. Go read some literature, maybe you'll get a better understanding. Something for nothing? Like the 47%ers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Sleepr2 said: Something for nothing? Like the 47%ers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 5 hours ago, motonoggin said: I can't wait to see all your heads explode when capitalists start advocating for a universal basic income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 From writing his own ticket to wanting what others have, what an utter failer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 11, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 11, 2017 47 minutes ago, 02sled said: Yeah right... the ditch diggers will get together and make sure the doctors enjoy an upper class lifestyle. Gee that makes the doctors reliant on what the ditch diggers believe the doctors want or need and take away the doctors free choice. If one wants the $10K toilet and another wants the $10K home theatre that should be choice as to what and when they want it. You still avoid describing how you see your utopia. He fails to recognize if this same "evolution" of mankind occurred it would make a Capitalistic Democracy or Democratic Republic all that much better too. He admits in order for his communism to work a human evolution would need to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I hear North Korea is loveky this time of year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 11, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 11, 2017 29 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Yes because that is the majority of business owners. How come your little cartoon doesn't show whose idea the product was, or whose factory it was built in, or who marketed it and sold it to the end customer. Your idea of this world is entertaining. You post shit like this then its EXACTLY what you are doing in your real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 37 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lame and self serving, as expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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