Roosting Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Wtf are you talking about? I've said merit doesn't matter, repeatedly. Are you daft? You're trying to remain in denial of the facts. It's ok, I get it, the desire to maintain your fantasy and preserve your worldview is powerful. Some people just cannot handle cognitive dissonance. When do you want to start working for me. You get a pat on the back every 8 hours. Merit is what the fucking world runs on . Are you daft. What does a world without incentive look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Man moto is bludgeoning retards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Roosting said: When do you want to start working for me. You get a pat on the back every 8 hours. Merit is what the fucking world runs on . Are you daft. What does a world without incentive look like? I have a feeling you're intentionally refusing to grasp what I'm saying so you can maintain your righteous indignation and rage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) Seriously, how cucked by capitalism are you that you interpret the statement "wages need to rise regardless of merit" as "workers shouldn't get paid at all"? Edited June 11, 2021 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Seriously, how cucked by capitalism are you that you interpret the statement "wages need to rise regardless of merit" as "workers shouldn't get paid at all"? sorry your not thinking in a way that represents the majority of intelligent people. Good day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Roosting said: sorry your not thinking in a way that represents the majority of intelligent people. Good day How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand someone advocating for wages stimulating demand instead of debt spending. Sweet fuck you’re dense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, f7ben said: How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand someone advocating for wages stimulating demand instead of debt spending. Sweet fuck you’re dense So you want a $100 an hour to do anything? Remember that when your business needs an extra hand. Be prepared to pay to there demands not your ability to pay. Sweet fuck you stuck on stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Roosting said: So you want a $100 an hour to do anything? Remember that when your business needs an extra hand. Be prepared to pay to there demands not your ability to pay. Sweet fuck you stuck on stupid I just hired a kid. I told him as soon as he learns to chain down a piece of equipment and getting around the sawmill I’d pay him $20. I can’t wait until he learns a few more things so I can pay him $30. When he’s proficient at a few other tasks and looks like he’s going to stick around I’m going to have a serious discussion with him about being paid much more and what he wants that to look like. Im not a retarded asshole trying to hold people down like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 This is why America will fail Dumb fucking cunts like above Me - people should be paid enough for working full time not to have to be on welfare to eat. Roostfag - SO YOU WANT TO PAY EVERYONE $100 DERPS DERRRR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, f7ben said: I just hired a kid. I told him as soon as he learns to chain down a piece of equipment and getting around the sawmill I’d pay him $20. I can’t wait until he learns a few more things so I can pay him $30. When he’s proficient at a few other tasks and looks like he’s going to stick around I’m going to have a serious discussion with him about being paid much more and what he wants that to look like. Im not a retarded asshole trying to hold people down like you Good for you though to pay somebody that shows some determination to pay more. Moto want you to pay the big wage regardless of merit. You just stated you pay due to merit so where do you actually stand here? So if your not a retarded asshole keeping people down with a reduced wage why are you doing just that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Roosting said: Good for you though to pay somebody that shows some determination to pay more. Moto want you to pay the big wage regardless of merit. You just stated you pay due to merit so where do you actually stand here? So if your not a retarded asshole keeping people down with a reduced wage why are you doing just that? You’re a fucking moron.....nobody is advocating for everyone to make the same or some retarded figure. Just a living wage. I will pay the kid well more than a living wage before he’s actually earning it because I’m not a fucking greedy asshole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, f7ben said: How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand someone advocating for wages stimulating demand instead of debt spending. Sweet fuck you’re dense He wants to think I'm wrong because he thinks he should disagree with me. If I said breathing was good, dude would probably pass out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted June 11, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, f7ben said: I just hired a kid. I told him as soon as he learns to chain down a piece of equipment and getting around the sawmill I’d pay him $20. I can’t wait until he learns a few more things so I can pay him $30. When he’s proficient at a few other tasks and looks like he’s going to stick around I’m going to have a serious discussion with him about being paid much more and what he wants that to look like. Im not a retarded asshole trying to hold people down like you What do you pay him now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted June 11, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 11, 2021 Moto, what do you pay people that work in the weed farm?? Everyone make the same amount as you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Rigid1 said: Moto, what do you pay people that work in the weed farm?? Everyone make the same amount as you? We aren't discussing me or microeconomics in general. Nice of you to try and change the subject, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, f7ben said: You’re a fucking moron.....nobody is advocating for everyone to make the same or some retarded figure. Just a living wage. I will pay the kid well more than a living wage before he’s actually earning it because I’m not a fucking greedy asshole Look I'm just poking holes on motos not well thought out points of argument. I realize what a living wage is and expecting that while working at mcd's is absurd unless they start charging $18 for a big mac. Why not take that ambition and go to a business that pays the living wage. If you payed your worker $10/h and he had greater expectations don't be surprised to see him go elsewhere. This is how it works not on the fault of the business in most cases but there are greedy assholes who take advantage of there employees. The cost of government on business is a large part of not having the $$$ to pay a higher wage where margins are slim due to market forces. have a good weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Roosting said: Look I'm just poking holes on motos not well thought out points of argument. I realize what a living wage is and expecting that while working at mcd's is absurd unless they start charging $18 for a big mac. Why not take that ambition and go to a business that pays the living wage. If you payed your worker $10/h and he had greater expectations don't be surprised to see him go elsewhere. This is how it works not on the fault of the business in most cases but there are greedy assholes who take advantage of there employees. The cost of government on business is a large part of not having the $$$ to pay a higher wage where margins are slim due to market forces. have a good weekend This just further demonstrates you know very little about economics I'm sure your local community college offers a macroecon 101 course, you should probably sign up for it if you want to actually talk intelligently about the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Roosting said: Look I'm just poking holes on motos not well thought out points of argument. I realize what a living wage is and expecting that while working at mcd's is absurd unless they start charging $18 for a big mac. Why not take that ambition and go to a business that pays the living wage. If you payed your worker $10/h and he had greater expectations don't be surprised to see him go elsewhere. This is how it works not on the fault of the business in most cases but there are greedy assholes who take advantage of there employees. The cost of government on business is a large part of not having the $$$ to pay a higher wage where margins are slim due to market forces. have a good weekend Look man , I’m sorry I called you names. All I’m saying is I’m willing to pay a little more for my big Mac if the people working there full time could make $16-20 an hour after some experience. Hell they are paying $13-14 there now and the menu could withstand a bit of an increase. I just want people to be able to have a little comfort and breathing room and be able be off assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted June 11, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, motonoggin said: We aren't discussing me or microeconomics in general. Nice of you to try and change the subject, though. Well you're advocating for it, so it should be known.. So do they all make as much as you?? Is pay equal across the board at the farm?? Are there entry level positions available with provided training that are paying as much as someone who has been there for years and knows exactly what they are doing with no oversight required?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: What do you pay him now? $15 and I expect that to only be a month or 6 weeks. I basically just want to make sure he at least shows up. He just turned 21 and has zero skills aside from willingness to learn and that’s just fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Look man , I’m sorry I called you names. All I’m saying is I’m willing to pay a little more for my big Mac if the people working there full time could make $16-20 an hour after some experience. Hell they are paying $13-14 there now and the menu could withstand a bit of an increase. I just want people to be able to have a little comfort and breathing room and be able be off assistance. Labor is a very small share of the cost of production. While worker wages have stagnated, worker productivity has steadily increased. That means there is less and less labor cost per unit produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Rigid1 said: Well you're advocating for it, so it should be known.. So do they all make as much as you?? Is pay equal across the board at the farm?? Are there entry level positions available with provided training that are paying as much as someone who has been there for years and knows exactly what they are doing with no oversight required?? Can you show me where I've ever said everyone should make the same? Stop with the straw man bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted June 11, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, f7ben said: $15 and I expect that to only be a month or 6 weeks. I basically just want to make sure he at least shows up. He just turned 21 and has zero skills aside from willingness to learn and that’s just fine with me. Dude, I showed my son how to strap down equipment in 10min and he's good to go, loads the trailer..it doesn't a month-6weeks to train someone how to strap down a skid steer or anything for that matter to a trailer or a pallet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted June 11, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Can you show me where I've ever said everyone should make the same? Stop with the straw man bullshit. Okay, so what do you pay to work on the farm?? Lowest and highest hourly rate and then we can divulge into why there are different rates.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Rigid1 said: Dude, I showed my son how to strap down equipment in 10min and he's good to go, loads the trailer..it doesn't a month-6weeks to train someone how to strap down a skid steer or anything for that matter to a trailer or a pallet.. Yah....well being able to comfortably load and chain down an skidsteer and a 14k lb excavator on a few different trailers is gonna take more than 10 minutes. It’s not a fucking weed wacker on your landscape trailer. I also said he needs to learn his way around the sawmill and by that I mean just offbear and stack wood properly. He’s working 20hrs per week to start and I expect to have him close to full time by the fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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