ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 In the aftermath of Donald Trump’s second acquittal in an impeachment trial, his supporters celebrated confirmed dominance of the Republican party. But as they did so an influential voice warned: “Mr Trump may run again, but he won’t win another national election.” The Wall Street Journal also said moves by Trump other than a run for the presidential nomination in 2024, including a “revenge campaign tour” or third-party run, would only “divide the centre-right and elect Democrats”. No one so much as Democrats wishes for that analysis to be true: that if Trump insists on remaining a loud voice in US politics, he will succeed only in electing more Democrats. But the fantasy of Trump’s summary departure from the national political stage is to be guarded against, many warn – and the notion that he cannot win the White House again in 2024 has been rejected on both the left and the right. “Trump could win again because it is always a choice between two” candidates, tweeted the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, in reply to the Journal editorial. Trump lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden, by 306-232 in the electoral college and by more than 7m votes nationwide. But Biden is the oldest president ever inaugurated and though he has said he may seek a second term, on election day 2024 he will be 81. Trump could yet face Vice-President Kamala Harris or another relatively untested Democrat. About half of Republicans want Trump to stay head of their party. That said, half of American voters want him banished from politics altogether, according to a CNBC poll this month that echoed other surveys. There are a lot more Americans than there are Republicans. Furthermore, tens of thousands have left the party since the Capitol Hill attack on 6 January. On Saturday, seven Senate Republicansjoined Democrats in voting to convict Trump on a charge of insurrection arising from the Capitol riot. The defections were significant, the most against a president of their own party in any impeachment, but the vote still fell 10 short of the two-thirds majority needed. Many Republicans, most notably minority leader Mitch McConnell, excoriated Trump’s behaviour but said they voted to acquit because the trial was unconstitutional. Scholars dispute that, and the Senate voted twice to proceed. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah, as the 2012 Republican presidential nominee and a former governor of Massachusetts one of the most known quantities in politics, was among the Republicans to vote to convict. For that decision, he was attacked by Utah Republicans with a petition to censure him including the line, “Whereas, Senator Williard [sic] Mitt Romney appears to be an agent for the Establishment Deep State.” The petition, which misspelled Romney’s first name, “Willard”, was reported by The Atlantic’s McKay Coppins. The “deep state” conspiracy theory holds that a permanent government of bureaucrats and intelligence agents thwarted Trump’s agenda. Steve Bannon, a key propagator and former Trump strategist, has said it is “for nut cases”. Right now, for Trump 2024, the political math looks bad. But the factors on his side, including fundraising muscle and a rabidly devoted base, are plain to see. Trump raised more than $250m after the election on the back of his lie that it was stolen – and he has promised to stick around. “We have so much work ahead of us,” he said following his acquittal on Saturday, “and soon we will emerge with a vision for a bright, radiant, and limitless American future.” State Republican parties back him. At least four senators who voted to convict were on the receiving end of sharp rebukes. Such skirmishes could be further signs of how Trump threatens to pull the party apart. “It’s hard to imagine Republicans winning national elections without Trump supporters anytime soon,” the GOP strategist Alex Conant told Reuters. “The party is facing a real catch-22: it can’t win with Trump but it’s obvious it can’t win without him either.” Even more troubling for those concerned for the strength of US democracy, the continuation of Trumpian politics by a younger conservative – Senator Josh Hawley or Fox News host Tucker Carlson, perhaps – could render moot the question of whether Trump himself is onstage. In this thinking, a candidate as indifferent to democracy but better at organizing his party could succeed in a power grab where Trump failed. Monday’s editorial casting doubt on Trump’s prospects came from a paperowned by Rupert Murdoch, a dominant voice on the right. It echoed moves by the New York Post, the Journal and Fox News last November, after an election Trump still refuses to concede. On its news pages on Monday, under the headline Pro-Trump Candidates Launch Early Senate, Governor Bids, the Journal looked at early moves in key states including Ohio, Virginia and Arkansas, ahead of the 2022 midterms. But on the opinion page, under the headline Trump’s Non-Vindication, the Journal’s editors added their voice to warnings from senior Republicans that Trump’s hold on the rank-and-file may not translate to another successful White House run – even though Democrats in Congress could not bar him from future office. “For four years,” the editorial board claimed, “Mr Trump’s conduct stayed largely within constitutional bounds … but Mr Trump’s dishonest challenge to the 2020 election, even after multiple defeats in court, clearly broke those bounds and culminated in the 6 January riot. “Mr Trump may run again, but he won’t win another national election. He lost re-election before the events of 6 January, and as president his job approval never rose above 50%. “He may go on a revenge campaign tour, or run as a third-party candidate, but all he will accomplish is to divide the centre-right and elect Democrats. The GOP’s defeats in the two 5 January Georgia Senate races proved that. “The country is moving past the Trump Presidency, and the GOP will remain in the wilderness until it does too.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 Trump could run for a house seat in Florida and become Speaker. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 If the GOP is smart (they're not), they'll adopt the best parts of Trumpism and get an endorsement next time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old indy Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Highmark said: Trump could run for a house seat in Florida and become Speaker. THAT would be Great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matt said: If the GOP is smart (they're not), they'll adopt the best parts of Trumpism and get an endorsement next time around. What would that be? Finding new methods at chasing the best people out of the administration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: What would that be? Finding new methods at chasing the best people out of the administration? No, using his base of voters that hated DC and saw him as an alternative. You don't see this though...you need hand holding. Pffft....no matter, Donny will never run again. His daughter might though...and should. I hope she runs against that "well dressed and classy" ghetto beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Zambroski said: No, using his base of voters that hated DC and saw him as an alternative. You don't see this though...you need hand holding. Pffft....no matter, Donny will never run again. His daughter might though...and should. I hope she runs against that "well dressed and classy" ghetto beast. DeSantis/Noem ticket would be formitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Zambroski said: No, using his base of voters that hated DC and saw him as an alternative. You don't see this though...you need hand holding. Pffft....no matter, Donny will never run again. His daughter might though...and should. I hope she runs against that "well dressed and classy" ghetto beast. Stacey Abrams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: DeSantis/Noem ticket would be formitable. I could get on board for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dave said: Stacey Abrams? That fat Florida is just another race pandering, poverty pimping, corrupt pile of shit. So, yes....she'd really be a good choice for the Dems. This one: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Highmark said: DeSantis/Noem ticket would be formitable. No it wouldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: No it wouldn’t. So they are then... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: No it wouldn’t. Yes they absolutely would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, Highmark said: DeSantis/Noem ticket would be formitable. I know you guys like Noem because of her COVID stance but she's not a good candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball 440 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, SSFB said: I know you guys like Noem because of her COVID stance but she's not a good candidate. While I do enjoy her Covid stance the real reason I like her is because she's hot. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, SSFB said: I know you guys like Noem because of her COVID stance but she's not a good candidate. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Why? Ineffective leader. She has trouble working with a legislature that is heavily controlled by her own party. The "Palin of the Prairie" nickname has some truth to it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old indy Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 So they still fear Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ickyoldman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: No it wouldn’t. You don't have to be on this forum very long to understand that you are a vengeful asshole and nothing more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ickyoldman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 51 minutes ago, Zambroski said: That fat Florida is just another race pandering, poverty pimping, corrupt pile of shit. So, yes....she'd really be a good choice for the Dems. This one: CHEWBACA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, ActionfigureJoe said: What would that be? Finding new methods at chasing the best people out of the administration? An actual border would be a good start. Anti political correctness/wokeness. Remove taxpayer funding of abortions, especially overseas. Pro-energy. Anti "being the world's police force" The list goes on, but you know as well as I do that if it weren't for a once in a generation pandemic and his inability to STFU on Twitter, Donny would still be president. His record and his platform were winners. You said as much yourself in November. If the repubs revert to Neocon special interest whores, which they probably will, they'll never win another election, even if they are successful at getting meaningful canvassing laws implemented. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Now that the MSM helped to install the puppet pedophile and his race confused VP there is nothing left to focus on but keeping Trump in the headlines. These stupid dumbocrat fucks that cast votes for the worst ticket in the history of America will have withdrawal if they do not receive their daily dose of brain washing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I never thought Trump could get in their heads like he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I agree. They will never win another election, but it sure the fuck isn’t because of Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, SSFB said: I know you guys like Noem because of her COVID stance but she's not a good candidate. Both polarizing and detestable candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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