Some administration officials believe Iran intentionally missed areas with Americans

[steve from amherst]

Washington (CNN)There is a growing belief among some Trump administration officials that Iran's missiles intentionally missed areas populated by Americans when they targeted two Iraqi bases housing US troops early Wednesday local time, multiple administration officials said.

Iran fired a number of missiles aimed at the bases in retaliation for the American strike that killed Iranian general Qasem Soleimani last week, further escalating tensions between the two countries. Officials have said there were no US casualties as a result of the attacks, though a full assessment is underway.

The administration officials floated the notion that Iran could have directed their missiles to hit areas that are populated by Americans, but intentionally did not.

And they suggested Iran may have chosen to send a message rather than take significant enough action to provoke a substantial US military response, a possible signal the administration was looking for rationale to calm the tensions.

[F3600]

I would agree, they want this to die down and perhaps not as sad as they've let on about Salami being taken out.

[Highmark]

Propaganda for the people at home.   Nothing more....nothing less.  

[Anler]

Seriously Iran is not as stupid as you all like to make them. IF they do attack it would be a more stealthy unexpected one I would assume. Meathead irrational, emotionally driven response is never the way to go, with anything. 

[bussman]

Just now, Anler said:

Seriously Iran is not as stupid as you all like to make them. IF they do attack it would be a more stealthy unexpected one I would assume. Meathead irrational, emotionally driven response is never the way to go, with anything. 

Iran has some of the least deep state control of any country in the world.  If this dies down my opinion is they are literally more “free” than any of us are now. 

[1jkw]

I think it was just to appease the so called mourners. If the US pulls out of Iraq they won the big prize they want, couldn't take a chance on killing some Iraqis and turning sentiment against them.

[Carlos Danger]

The thing is as it sits right now the US has not taken any military action in Iran. Plus it would seem the UN may have had a restriction on Soleimani operating outside of Iran. Add it all up and I think this will blow over soon as Iran is in no position to take a direct attack from the US.

[Woodtick]

So no ww3 ? That’s bullshit.

[Pete]

15 minutes ago, Anler said:

Seriously Iran is not as stupid as you all like to make them. IF they do attack it would be a more stealthy unexpected one I would assume. Meathead irrational, emotionally driven response is never the way to go, with anything. 

they are fucking terrorists. That's fucking stupid. You lose

 

[Highmark]

1 hour ago, Anler said:

Seriously Iran is not as stupid as you all like to make them. IF they do attack it would be a more stealthy unexpected one I would assume. Meathead irrational, emotionally driven response is never the way to go, with anything. 

Without question the threat of attacks thru proxy or terrorist groups is still a significant chance.   Especially when so many American's don't believe they don't do such things.  Part of the reason they keep after us in this manner.   Do you now all of a sudden?

Edited January 8, 2020 by Highmark

[steve from amherst]

4 minutes ago, Woodtick said:

So no ww3 ? That’s bullshit.

Maybe they will still make the movie anyways ?

[Angry ginger]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

they are fucking terrorists. That's fucking stupid. You lose

 

They are brilliant.  Terrorist have been jerking our chain for decades now and they win because of the division,  reduction of personal freedoms and the trillions spent fighting them.  

[f7ben]

10 minutes ago, Pete said:

they are fucking terrorists. That's fucking stupid. You lose

 

Heres the facts you brain dead fucking moron.

Only one sovereign nation has attacked the US since ww2 , that's Israel.

The US has attacked dozens of cou tries militarily since then though including Iran.

The US is the lead state sponsor of terror in the world.

Get that through your empty skull

[Highmark]

Just now, f7ben said:

Heres the facts you brain dead fucking moron.

Only one sovereign nation has attacked the US since ww2 , that's Israel.

The US has attacked dozens of cou tries militarily since then though including Iran.

The US is the lead state sponsor of terror in the world.

Get that through your empty skull

Over running our embassy and holding our diplomats hostage for 444 days is not an attack?    

Its laughable you think Iran hasn't attacked American thru proxy means.   Your lack of understanding is cute.  

[Anler]

3 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Heres the facts you brain dead fucking moron.

Only one sovereign nation has attacked the US since ww2 , that's Israel.

The US has attacked dozens of cou tries militarily since then though including Iran.

The US is the lead state sponsor of terror in the world.

Get that through your empty skull

You cant fix stupid

[Anler]

Just now, Highmark said:

Over running our embassy and holding our diplomats hostage for 444 days is not an attack?    

Its laughable you think Iran hasn't attacked American thru proxy means.   Your lack of understanding is cute.  

So are we avenging a 1977 attack by Hezbollah? Is that what this is about?  How about our convert regime change operations over the last 60 years? Ever hear the phrase "Dont start nothin wont be nothin"? 

[f7ben]

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Over running our embassy and holding our diplomats hostage for 444 days is not an attack?    

Its laughable you think Iran hasn't attacked American thru proxy means.   Your lack of understanding is cute.  

Are you crying again?

[Anler]

Just now, Anler said:

So are we avenging a 1977 attack by Hezbollah? Is that what this is about?  How about our convert regime change operations over the last 60 years? Ever hear the phrase "Dont start nothin wont be nothin"? 

Bottom line Ben is right, NO SOVEIRGN COUNTRY HAS ATTACKED OUR COUNTRY SINCE WW2. Change my mind... 

[f7ben]

Just now, Anler said:

Bottom line Ben is right, NO SOVEIRGN COUNTRY HAS ATTACKED OUR COUNTRY SINCE WW2. Change my mind... 

BUT WHAT ABOUT THROWING ROCKS AT OUR EMBASSY DERP!!!&$,$&$*

[Highmark]

9 minutes ago, Anler said:

So are we avenging a 1977 attack by Hezbollah? Is that what this is about?  How about our convert regime change operations over the last 60 years? Ever hear the phrase "Dont start nothin wont be nothin"? 

Didn't make that claim.   Just pointing out Ben's statement wasn't correct. 

You guys are the ones saying we deserve what we get putting and keeping the Shah in place over 40+ years ago.    We've heard that for years on here.   Can't they let that go?

Besides Soleinami when was our last direct attack on Iran? 

Hezbollah and Hamas would likely not exist without Iran.   Want me to list their attacks?

I want out of the ME but claiming Iran's hands are free of American blood is fucking laughable.  

Hezbollah[edit]

 

President Ronald Reagan and his wife Nancy show respect to the victims of 1983 barracks bombing.

Main article: Hezbollah

During the 1980s and 1990s, a wave of kidnappings, bombings, and assassinations of Western targets, particularly American and Israeli, occurred in Lebanon and other countries. The attacks, attributed to Hezbollah, have included:

• The 1982-1983 Tyre headquarters bombings
• The blowing up of a van filled with explosives in front of the U.S. embassy in Beirut killing 58 Americans and Lebanese in 1983.
• The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing of the U.S. Marine and French 'Drakkar' barracks which killed 241 American and 58 French peacekeepers. On May 30, 2003, a U.S. federal judge ruled that Hezbollah carried out the attack at the direction of the Iranian government.^[22]
• The 1983 Kuwait bombings in collaboration with the Iraqi Dawa Party.^[23]
• The 1984 United States embassy annex bombing, killing 24 people.^[24]
• The hijacking of TWA flight 847 holding the 39 Americans on board hostage for weeks in 1985 and murder of one U.S. Navy sailor
• The Lebanon hostage crisis from 1982 to 1992.^[25]
• According to Middle East analyst James Philips, an August 1989 bombing in London was a failed Hezbollah assassination attempt on Indian-born British author Salman Rushdie, after the Iranian government put a $2.5 million bounty on his head over the novel The Satanic Verses.^[26][27] Iranian officials have repeatedly called for Rushdie's death as recently as 2005.^[28]
• The bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina killing twenty-nine people in 1992. Hezbollah operatives boasted of involvement.^[29]
• The bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina killing 85 people in 1994. Hezbollah claimed responsibility.^[30] Argentine justice accused Iran of being behind the attacks because of Buenos Aires' decision to suspend a nuclear material delivery and technology transfer.^[31]
• The 1994 AC Flight 901 attack, killing 21 people, in Panama. Hezbollah claimed responsibility.^[32]
• The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, killing 19 US servicemen. On December 22, 2006, federal judge Royce C. Lamberth ruled that Iran was responsible for the attack, stating "The totality of the evidence at trial...firmly establishes that the Khobar Towers bombing was planned, funded, and sponsored by senior leadership in the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The defendants' conduct in facilitating, financing, and providing material support to bring about this attack was intentional, extreme, and outrageous."^[33]
• The 2012 Burgas bus bombing, killing 6, in Bulgaria.^[34] Hezbollah is believed to have carried out that attack on its own accord, without any Iranian involvement or foreknowledge.^[35]

Islamic Jihad is widely believed to be a nom de guerre of the Lebanese Islamist political movement and social service agency Hezbollah, which was founded in 1982 with many millions of dollars of aid and considerable training and logistical support from the Islamic Republic. Many believe the group promotes the Iranian agenda and that its goal is to overthrow the moderate governments in the area and create Islamic Republics based on that of Iran as well as the destruction of Israel.^[36] Iran has supplied the militant organization Hezbollah with substantial amounts of financial, training, weapons (including long range rockets), explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid while persuading Hezbolla to take an action against Israel.^[37][38][39] Hezbollah's 1985 manifesto listed its four main goals as "Israel's final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration"^[40] According to reports released in February 2010, Hezbollah received $400 million from Iran.^[38]

Its methods include assassinations, kidnappings, suicide bombings, and guerrilla warfare. It is believed to be one of the Islamic resistance groups that made suicide bombings common use. Other attacks credited to Hezbollah include:

• Firing of hundreds of rockets into northern Israel on a daily basis and capture of Israeli soldiers in 2006.^[41]
• According to a senior U.S. intelligence officer, the 2005 assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafic Hariri was carried out by Hezbollah at the direction of Iranian agents.^[35]

 

 

Shi'ite Militias in Iraq[edit]

Iranian proxies killed an estimated 1,100 US troops in Iraq.^[42] In addition, insurgents supported by Iran reportedly committed acts of terrorism.^[35][43][44] The United States State Department states that weapons are smuggled into Iraq and used to arm Iran's allies among the Shiite militias, including those of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army.^[45]

During his address to the United States Congress on September 11, 2007, Commanding Officer for the United States forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus noted that the multinational forces in Iraq found that Iran's Quds force had provided training, equipment, funding, and direction to Shi'ite militia groups. “When we captured the leaders of these so-called special groups … and the deputy commander of a Lebanese Hezbollah department that was created to support their efforts in Iraq, we’ve learned a great deal about how Iran has, in fact, supported these elements and how those elements have carried out violent acts against our forces, Iraqi forces and innocent civilians.”^[43]

In 2015, Michael Weiss and Michael Pregent accused the Popular Mobilization Units, an organization of 40 mainly-Shi'ite militias backed by Iran, of committing extensive atrocities against Sunni civilians in the course of their war against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, including "burning people alive in their houses, playing soccer with severed human heads, and ethnically cleansing and razing whole villages to the ground." Weiss and Pregent even suggested that "Iran's Shi'ite militias aren't a whole lot better than the Islamic State."^[46]

Edited January 8, 2020 by Highmark

[Highmark]

11 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Are you crying again?

In laughter at your stupidity.  

Edited January 8, 2020 by Highmark

[Anler]

9 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Didn't make that claim.   Just pointing out Ben's statement wasn't correct. 

You guys are the ones saying we deserve what we get putting and keeping the Shah in place over 40+ years ago.    We've heard that for years on here.   Can't they let that go?

Besides Soleinami when was our last direct attack on Iran? 

Hezbollah and Hamas would likely not exist without Iran.   Want me to list their attacks?

I want out of the ME but claiming Iran's hands are free of American blood is fucking laughable.  

Hezbollah[edit]

 

President Ronald Reagan and his wife Nancy show respect to the victims of 1983 barracks bombing.

Main article: Hezbollah

During the 1980s and 1990s, a wave of kidnappings, bombings, and assassinations of Western targets, particularly American and Israeli, occurred in Lebanon and other countries. The attacks, attributed to Hezbollah, have included:

• The 1982-1983 Tyre headquarters bombings
• The blowing up of a van filled with explosives in front of the U.S. embassy in Beirut killing 58 Americans and Lebanese in 1983.
• The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing of the U.S. Marine and French 'Drakkar' barracks which killed 241 American and 58 French peacekeepers. On May 30, 2003, a U.S. federal judge ruled that Hezbollah carried out the attack at the direction of the Iranian government.^[22]
• The 1983 Kuwait bombings in collaboration with the Iraqi Dawa Party.^[23]
• The 1984 United States embassy annex bombing, killing 24 people.^[24]
• The hijacking of TWA flight 847 holding the 39 Americans on board hostage for weeks in 1985 and murder of one U.S. Navy sailor
• The Lebanon hostage crisis from 1982 to 1992.^[25]
• According to Middle East analyst James Philips, an August 1989 bombing in London was a failed Hezbollah assassination attempt on Indian-born British author Salman Rushdie, after the Iranian government put a $2.5 million bounty on his head over the novel The Satanic Verses.^[26][27] Iranian officials have repeatedly called for Rushdie's death as recently as 2005.^[28]
• The bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina killing twenty-nine people in 1992. Hezbollah operatives boasted of involvement.^[29]
• The bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina killing 85 people in 1994. Hezbollah claimed responsibility.^[30] Argentine justice accused Iran of being behind the attacks because of Buenos Aires' decision to suspend a nuclear material delivery and technology transfer.^[31]
• The 1994 AC Flight 901 attack, killing 21 people, in Panama. Hezbollah claimed responsibility.^[32]
• The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, killing 19 US servicemen. On December 22, 2006, federal judge Royce C. Lamberth ruled that Iran was responsible for the attack, stating "The totality of the evidence at trial...firmly establishes that the Khobar Towers bombing was planned, funded, and sponsored by senior leadership in the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The defendants' conduct in facilitating, financing, and providing material support to bring about this attack was intentional, extreme, and outrageous."^[33]
• The 2012 Burgas bus bombing, killing 6, in Bulgaria.^[34] Hezbollah is believed to have carried out that attack on its own accord, without any Iranian involvement or foreknowledge.^[35]

Islamic Jihad is widely believed to be a nom de guerre of the Lebanese Islamist political movement and social service agency Hezbollah, which was founded in 1982 with many millions of dollars of aid and considerable training and logistical support from the Islamic Republic. Many believe the group promotes the Iranian agenda and that its goal is to overthrow the moderate governments in the area and create Islamic Republics based on that of Iran as well as the destruction of Israel.^[36] Iran has supplied the militant organization Hezbollah with substantial amounts of financial, training, weapons (including long range rockets), explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid while persuading Hezbolla to take an action against Israel.^[37][38][39] Hezbollah's 1985 manifesto listed its four main goals as "Israel's final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration"^[40] According to reports released in February 2010, Hezbollah received $400 million from Iran.^[38]

Its methods include assassinations, kidnappings, suicide bombings, and guerrilla warfare. It is believed to be one of the Islamic resistance groups that made suicide bombings common use. Other attacks credited to Hezbollah include:

• Firing of hundreds of rockets into northern Israel on a daily basis and capture of Israeli soldiers in 2006.^[41]
• According to a senior U.S. intelligence officer, the 2005 assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafic Hariri was carried out by Hezbollah at the direction of Iranian agents.^[35]

 

 

Shi'ite Militias in Iraq[edit]

Iranian proxies killed an estimated 1,100 US troops in Iraq.^[42] In addition, insurgents supported by Iran reportedly committed acts of terrorism.^[35][43][44] The United States State Department states that weapons are smuggled into Iraq and used to arm Iran's allies among the Shiite militias, including those of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army.^[45]

During his address to the United States Congress on September 11, 2007, Commanding Officer for the United States forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus noted that the multinational forces in Iraq found that Iran's Quds force had provided training, equipment, funding, and direction to Shi'ite militia groups. “When we captured the leaders of these so-called special groups … and the deputy commander of a Lebanese Hezbollah department that was created to support their efforts in Iraq, we’ve learned a great deal about how Iran has, in fact, supported these elements and how those elements have carried out violent acts against our forces, Iraqi forces and innocent civilians.”^[43]

In 2015, Michael Weiss and Michael Pregent accused the Popular Mobilization Units, an organization of 40 mainly-Shi'ite militias backed by Iran, of committing extensive atrocities against Sunni civilians in the course of their war against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, including "burning people alive in their houses, playing soccer with severed human heads, and ethnically cleansing and razing whole villages to the ground." Weiss and Pregent even suggested that "Iran's Shi'ite militias aren't a whole lot better than the Islamic State."^[46]

Have you ever heard of the Iran Contra affair? 

[Highmark]

1 minute ago, Anler said:

Have you ever heard of the Iran Contra affair? 

Nope what is that?    You would think they would love us for that.    

[Anler]

Just now, Highmark said:

Nope what is that?    You would think they would love us for that.    

Well is that a case where we (people in govt)secretly tried to arm a terrorist country? If you think that's the only time we've done that then you should step away..  

[Highmark]

4 minutes ago, Anler said:

Well is that a case where we (people in govt)secretly tried to arm a terrorist country? If you think that's the only time we've done that then you should step away..  

Of course its not the only case.   Ever hear of the war between the USSR and Afghanistan?

I'm not nor have I ever made the case we are completely innocent nor do I fall that the likes of Iran is either.  

Edited January 8, 2020 by Highmark