Anler Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 11 hours ago, f7ben said: Drugs and technology etc etc. Its all subsidized by US costs And many of the pharms and medical universities get billions in govt grants develop new drugs and medical tech and then stick the costs of those innovations up our ass again in the marketplace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Almost 180K for 2 stints, 1 night in icu and 1 night in a regular room. Procedure took 50 min. 1K a month for meds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, jammin said: Almost 180K for 2 stints, 1 night in icu and 1 night in a regular room. Procedure took 50 min. 1K a month for meds. Hope you're well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 13 hours ago, f7ben said: I'm a NHC proponent ....I certainly think we get raped. agreed, we subsidize the world because we allow them to charge whatever they want. As far as wait times I've paid for my share of MRI's the last 4 years, think we are up to 6 and never waited more than a few days but they can charge so much that there is a ton of non hospital MRI machines out there. the ortho my son and wife went to has 2 and theres a couple of other ones around. End of the day the whole systems a scam with a rack rate that gets paid by no one but in many cases cut rate insurance companies negotiated rates are the same as someone who sets up a payment plan will get. If we had real pricing people could make more informed decisions and cut their costs. For the vast majority of the country they would be better served by a high deductible catastrophic plan and pay out of pocket for their normal care. I think even if we moved to a form of UHC that the setup should be more that way. I have no issue with people having to pay reasonable deductibles but when your policy is $20k a year on top of that between the employer/employee on top of 5-10k in deducs thats crazy. Even with my sons ACL surgery the insurance company still made a "profit" on us that year. 60k rack rate was in the teens once insurance adjusted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: agreed, we subsidize the world because we allow them to charge whatever they want. As far as wait times I've paid for my share of MRI's the last 4 years, think we are up to 6 and never waited more than a few days but they can charge so much that there is a ton of non hospital MRI machines out there. the ortho my son and wife went to has 2 and theres a couple of other ones around. End of the day the whole systems a scam with a rack rate that gets paid by no one but in many cases cut rate insurance companies negotiated rates are the same as someone who sets up a payment plan will get. If we had real pricing people could make more informed decisions and cut their costs. For the vast majority of the country they would be better served by a high deductible catastrophic plan and pay out of pocket for their normal care. I think even if we moved to a form of UHC that the setup should be more that way. I have no issue with people having to pay reasonable deductibles but when your policy is $20k a year on top of that between the employer/employee on top of 5-10k in deducs thats crazy. Even with my sons ACL surgery the insurance company still made a "profit" on us that year. 60k rack rate was in the teens once insurance adjusted it. I wonder if Arctic Crusher the retard will take issue with your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 28, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, jammin said: Almost 180K for 2 stints, 1 night in icu and 1 night in a regular room. Procedure took 50 min. 1K a month for meds. I'm no genius but how can any rational person look at these numbers and think "hey...sounds about right" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 28, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 28, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: I wonder if Arctic Crusher the retard will take issue with your post? I think you and I know how this joint works....doesn't matter what is posted only who posted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I'm no genius but how can any rational person look at these numbers and think "hey...sounds about right" It’s unreal sometimes what some will defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I'm no genius but how can any rational person look at these numbers and think "hey...sounds about right" I was shocked when i saw the paperwork. And to top it off there were two areas on the bill that just said miscellaneous. Those two items totaled over 40 Grand but have no clue what the fuck they were for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, f7ben said: I wonder if Arctic Crusher the retard will take issue with your post? The only ones paying your drug prices are Americans, you aren't subsidizing anyone, you're just getting roped worse than others. 28K premuims with a large deduct, We pay through taxes and I pay multiples of what you pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: The only ones paying your drug prices are Americans, you aren't subsidizing anyone, you're just getting roped worse than others. 28K premuims with a large deduct, We pay through taxes and I pay multiples of what you pay. Derpy derp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I think you and I know how this joint works....doesn't matter what is posted only who posted it. You think American taxpayers are subsidizing Canadian hospitals? We negotiate pricing for our drugs, if your too expensive we go somewhere else. We also use a lot generics, its too bad you are getting ripped off, gaped actually, but lets just leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Derpy derp Don't you have an index to go and short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted December 28, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, jammin said: Almost 180K for 2 stints, 1 night in icu and 1 night in a regular room. Procedure took 50 min. 1K a month for meds. My mom had 2 stents put in a couple of years ago, was only about 55k hospital bills with 2 night stay. Ins covered 100%. She was in ICU recently for 3 nights for possible stroke and she only had to pay $600 out of pocket on a 40k bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, jammin said: Almost 180K for 2 stints, 1 night in icu and 1 night in a regular room. Procedure took 50 min. 1K a month for meds. Having a kidney out was about a 2-3 hour surgery and 3 days in the hospital. Less then 80k, but probably closer to 100k with CT scans and follow-ups. $6500 out of pocket for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said: My mom had 2 stents put in a couple of years ago, was only about 55k hospital bills with 2 night stay. Ins covered 100%. She was in ICU recently for 3 nights for possible stroke and she only had to pay $600 out of pocket on a 40k bill. I'll post the bill when I get home later. Pretty sure there was a line for the procedure which was around 50,000 and another line for Hospital services that was around 70000 or so and 6 * 8 other lines with dollar values. EDIT: Edited December 28, 2019 by jammin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I'm no genius but how can any rational person look at these numbers and think "hey...sounds about right" whats more interesting is i bet the insurance company rate was under 50k so why play the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Angry ginger said: agreed, we subsidize the world because we allow them to charge whatever they want. can't believe you and bhen got sucked in to this classic right wing fabricated talking point meant to scare people into maintaining the private HC status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, frenchy said: can't believe you and bhen got sucked in to this classic right wing fabricated talking point meant to scare people into maintaining the private HC status quo. It's the exact opposite. It's advocarion for nhc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: It's the exact opposite. It's advocarion for nhc that talking point was introduced by the right and parroted by right wing media outlets and radio/online talk show flunkies to scare people into thinking they'd either lose access to or have less choice in medication if UHC were introduced in America. There is not a single shred of evidence that proves this flawed argument. The fact you are pro UHC isn't really relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted December 28, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, jammin said: I'll post the bill when I get home later. Pretty sure there was a line for the procedure which was around 50,000 and another line for Hospital services that was around 70000 or so and 6 * 8 other lines with dollar values. EDIT: I wasn't doubting you. The funny part is you read the bills and see what is charged versus what ins actually pays. It boggles the mind the discounts they have with the hospitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, frenchy said: that talking point was introduced by the right and parroted by right wing media outlets and radio/online talk show flunkies to scare people into thinking they'd either lose access to or have less choice in medication if UHC were introduced in America. There is not a single shred of evidence that proves this flawed argument. The fact you are pro UHC isn't really relevant. yes because US is the #1 user of medicines and the place were there is no control over what you can charge is meaningless to drug companies projections. SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) .. Edited December 28, 2019 by Angry ginger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: yes because US is the #1 user of medicines and the place were there is no control over what you can charge is meaningless to drug companies projections. SMH It's like hes willfully ignorant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said: I wasn't doubting you. The funny part is you read the bills and see what is charged versus what ins actually pays. It boggles the mind the discounts they have with the hospitals. Didn't think you were buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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